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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: WBA Reply with quote

Everything about that was predictable.

I can't be arsed with fourth now. Play the kids for the rest of the campaign and save the legs of the first team for the EL
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was fucking livid watching Carrick today. Sitting deep against a side with absolutely no attacking intentions, taking 3 and 4 touches before playing a 'safe' 5 yard ball. Never once did he advance more than 10 yards into their half.

Mkhitaryan and Martial were shite also, but at least they were shite while trying to attack.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for the first time I can remember, I paid todays game no attention. Embarassed

went out with my wife and daughter, I just knew we would not win
Pulis has enough savvy to come and get a draw and he did,

the fact every manager in England knows how to get a draw at OT should really really worry us.

but as SR says. we kind of cant be fucked any more , and that should really really really worry us ....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly predictable, yes. However, it still managed to put a dampener on my weekend.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will you be supporting another club next week?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same old spanked arses I see, on here that is. With so much top talent missing against a 10-0-0 formation we should not be surprised at the performance or result.

It will be a cold day in hell before I have no interest when United play.

What should worry us? Fuck all. We are unbeaten in the league since October, with virtually all draws being a case of us missing many great chances. We're having a fine season, but I'm pretty sure whatever we did some would find fault in it.

We're a work in progress but we're not far off.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a very realistic chance of finishing 4th or 3rd.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Same old spanked arses I see, on here that is. With so much top talent missing against a 10-0-0 formation we should not be surprised at the performance or result.

It will be a cold day in hell before I have no interest when United play.

What should worry us? Fuck all. We are unbeaten in the league since October, with virtually all draws being a case of us missing many great chances. We're having a fine season, but I'm pretty sure whatever we did some would find fault in it.

We're a work in progress but we're not far off.


seconded, thirded and fourthed, well said that man,
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Same old spanked arses I see, on here that is. With so much top talent missing against a 10-0-0 formation we should not be surprised at the performance or result.

It will be a cold day in hell before I have no interest when United play.

What should worry us? Fuck all. We are unbeaten in the league since October, with virtually all draws being a case of us missing many great chances. We're having a fine season, but I'm pretty sure whatever we did some would find fault in it.

We're a work in progress but we're not far off.


Tbh I think, when the disappointment of today's game subsides I think we all acknowledge we are much improved on last season and we have been well and truly fucked by teams that park the bus. That, and the amount of games we've had due to the EL (I read a stat that said teams in the EL finish, on average, 2 places lower in the league? Is this the case?).

Also, with WBA having nothing to play for, Pulis showed how shite a manager he is, claiming this is a 'magnificent' point. Fuck off, ya cunt. You have nothing to play for and you still ain't got the bollocks to give your players a bit of freedom to play, or coach another system that might give their supporters something to shout about. WBA supporters must be really excited about their future under that cunt Shocked . You can take your point and celebrate it like you've won the league, but in reality know that any 2 bob cunt can coach a team to play the Pulis way.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Same old spanked arses I see, on here that is. With so much top talent missing against a 10-0-0 formation we should not be surprised at the performance or result.

It will be a cold day in hell before I have no interest when United play.

What should worry us? Fuck all. We are unbeaten in the league since October, with virtually all draws being a case of us missing many great chances. We're having a fine season, but I'm pretty sure whatever we did some would find fault in it.

We're a work in progress but we're not far off.



a spanked arse......... Shocked

I get called a lot worse Laughing

of course I care, and after 47 years I aint going to stop supporting the club I love, and I aint going to stop caring.
yesterday was predictable hence my post .
perhaps it's simply a case of my glass being half empty and not half full, but at he moment i've too much shit in my life to have the thing I do for pleasure cause me even more frustration.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reactions are equally predictable and I have seen similar when great Utd sides have not performed up to expectations. I think there is a greater issue here, however, and it lies in the decline of the game as it becomes almost entirely focussed on defensive security. Of course really great teams can get over the impasse but I have seen even Barcelona struggle against the massed defence of an Atleti for instance (but also lesser teams who play this catanaccio defence).

It isn't helped by the fact that, with rare exceptions, referees buy into this Dunkirk spirit and let slide in the last third fouls against the dominant attacking side which would be given as a matter of rote if they happened at the other end on the odd occasion where the defender breaks out.

I feel the game will continue to decline as a spectacle whilst this imbalance continues. We seem conservative almost to the extent of being Victorian in the lack of willingness to adapt the game but the fact is that as it has become more athletic this imbalance has become more marked. It is easier now for fit defenders augmented by attackers who have expended little energy in the attacking third to hold at bay an attacking team and reduce chances to a lottery (one in which we buy many tickets but few winning ones).

This doesn't excuse the missed chances of course but they are part of the game and luck does play a part. You can't make your own luck, despite the old adage, but you can influence it by being ready when opportunity knocks. So I think that tide will turn but it won't solve the problem. I look at Rugby Union and see how often it embraces rule changes when there is a threat of the game becoming sterile (e.g the preponderance of forward power led to many grinding, tight games in the past and the stifling of adventurous back play).

I think we need a think tank in football to try and bring back the spectacle. I agree with John Smith that the tedium in the one event that has brought a degree of hope into the week can drive some to despair. We have all heard of the days when people flocked out of the mills at lunchtime on a Saturday and headed for the match, the one bright spot of the week before the day of rest and then back to the grind. The modern game doesn't seem to care about those people any more and it isn't simply because there are fewer satanic mills these days. The daily grind hasn't gone away, it is just different now.

Football is perhaps many things, which explains it's enduring popularity, but most of all it is entertainment. Yesterday scarcely lived up to that and I think more than the fact we are a work in progress is to blame.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope these type of performances are a hangover from LVG's term cos if they continue with such frequency next season I'll be 'doing a js' and making the most of my weekends too. I used to live for United - even if post-Glazer it's just to head down the pub and watch the game on the box - but over the past few years it's started to feel way more like a begrudging commitment than something I actually enjoy. Van Gaal is the main reason, but a lack of connection to our players, the direction the sport has gone in, and simply growing up and looking at the whole thing from a more mature perspective also play a part.

There's been a bunch of excuses made for yesterday's game but truth be told we've put in performances like that far too many times this season. Most of us feared it would be shite and most of us were right.

Roll on the Europa League and roll on next season (fingers crossed).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on Jackl.

I fear, with tv refs on the horizon, it could add to the decline, if it is not done correctly. We increasingly see stop start games, where teams are happy to give away niggly fouls, diving and my biggest pet hate, feigning injury. Stopping the game to refer to a tv ref will make matters worse. Personally, I think id rather take my chances of the odd decision going against us, knowing we'll get some go for us, than swing the advantage to the team who's sole purpose is to defend and disrupt the game.

I'm sure there will be plenty of time to debate tv refs further, so I'll leave this one for another day.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
Spot on Jackl.

I fear, with tv refs on the horizon, it could add to the decline, if it is not done correctly. We increasingly see stop start games, where teams are happy to give away niggly fouls, diving and my biggest pet hate, feigning injury. Stopping the game to refer to a tv ref will make matters worse. Personally, I think id rather take my chances of the odd decision going against us, knowing we'll get some go for us, than swing the advantage to the team who's sole purpose is to defend and disrupt the game.

I'm sure there will be plenty of time to debate tv refs further, so I'll leave this one for another day.


Well yes, and all that hype about giving the advantage to the attacker on offside decisions becomes the subject not only of tedious punditry but of 4th referees poring over footage and deciding the attacker's big toenail was offside. It could be a recipe for disaster.

Offside is a case in question. You should not be offside if part of your body is marginally ahead of a defender. The attacker is thrusting forward, the defender often leaning back or trying to play offside. I don't know the stats but I would hazard a guess that more offside decisions are wrongly made in favour of defenders than attackers.

The single most important change the refs could make to help with livening up the game is to adopt the mindset of preferring attack to defence. I fear the defensive approach often mirrors the caution in their own make up and they prefer boredom to anything potentially controversial. The problem is it ingrained in them and goes right to the top in the FA.

That said, overall I think the European game, the approach needed to win in Europe, is one of the main reasons for the defensive mindset in club football. Maybe Brexit will help give us our natural game back!
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