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john smith



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that was glass half full, glass half empty sort of result.

one can easily say,
it's a great point, it pisses them off, winds up the abu's and keeps us unbeaten and in touch with city, and we took a point by playing poorly.etc etc

one could also just as easily say
why play which such negative tactics, they had no Sane, they hadn't won for 7 games, moreno should have been cannon fodder for rashford or martial , why didn't we go at them, their only danger was salah and we gave him too much freedom, etc etc


I , even after a nights sleep am still pissed off we didn't have a go and them off the park,city went to Chelsea recently and played them off the park, we will no doubt go there and park the bus. that doesn't mean I want to start supporting city ffs, what it means is we want to win, we all do,and where possible by playing attacking football.

our history is to play with flair where possible, we may have had 4 years of lvg, and moyes, and it's as if that means now means we will accept success at any price, we may also have the odd memory of fergie parking the bus, I remember the game against Newacsatle i was there, but that Newcastle side was formidable attaking wise, and we exploited their frsurtaion that night and defended and counter attacked, it's ultimetly why that Geordie side won nothing,but fundementaly we play attacking football, right to the 96th minute,

there are times to park a bus;
first leg away semis to barcelona or Madrid perhaps maybe city away or Chelsea or spurs.... but a vermin side who couldn't beat burnley, newacstle or Leicester I just don't think yesterday called for us to be so negative.



anyway we move on.

Wink

may not mean much to some , but it always gives me a smile and Feeder Club FC appear to be falling apart again.... Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure we are yet quite as good as we think or this opposition was quite as bad as it has been painted. Currently we are 2 or maybe even 3. I think they are 5 or maybe 4. It is closer than some think.

Were our tactics much different at Southampton? Were we not a little lucky not to blow it at Stoke? That is 3 out of 4 away games where DDG has saved us. We have progressed. The football is way better but still some issues.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to appreciate what we have now, compared to what we had between mid-2013 to the start of last season.

Mourinho is quite predictable with how he sets up before certain games and although we were an absolute shower yesterday, we still didn't lose. Not much to celebrate, but we could have had our first defeat to that lot yesterday.

Just a reminder that Mourinho's teams score plenty of goals. Yes, many times, he'll set-up to take a draw away from home, but his record speaks volumes. Under Chelsea, Inter and Madrid, his teams broke various goal scoring records. Just look it up for yourself. You don't play a shit brand of football if the team you're managing scores plenty of goals.

I guarantee that most fans who are crying out for the style of play we had in the 1990's, where they'd accept a defeat every time in aid of some exciting play, would soon become bewildered with their team finishing trophyless every season whilst finishing nowhere near a CL position.

Regardless of how much money has been spent by the club, don't expect a victory every game. Although I have faith that with each season, we will get close to an unbeaten season under Mourinho's management and track-record for buying proven players.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JS, not sure anyone will disagree with you. We all want to see that fast flowing attacking football. This season, up till yesterday's game, we've blown teams away (ok, we've not really played anyone good, but you can only beat what is in front of you).

As I've already said, they were also defensive yesterday. Probably the most defensive they've played under Klopp. Jose said after the game he was waiting for Klopp to gamble to give us a bit of space in the midfield. He didn't. Klopp knew if he went for plan A we would have them on the break (he pretty much admitted that himself). You could also argue that when we went forward our hold up play and our forward passes were woeful. Lukaku was awful. With his strength and pace etc he should be getting to the ball first everytime and holding up the ball for Mhky and Martial. He should be also done more with his chance.

You listen to any former United player who played under Fergie. They will tell you this game is a 'must not lose'. It dull, it's boring but if we only see this approach a handful of times a season (away vs top 4/5 for example) ill take it. The league is far too competitive to expect to everyone to be able to do it any other way. Arsenal are a prime example, always try the pretty stuff but hit the same hurdles time and again, the dippers are another example, try to be entertaining but come unstuck when they come up against anyone that can defend. city will do what they do, but that's what happens when only PSG can out spend you.
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Alex Ahmar



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Smith wrote

may not mean much to some , but it always gives me a smile and Feeder Club FC appear to be falling apart again....

Actually JS, I have a good chuckle at all their struggles and woes. They were a nasty team that took gamesmanship to a different level. I was at Elland Road when they obliterated us 5-1 - I think it was around '72 or '73. A truly horrible afternoon.


As for yesterday, enough has been written about getting the draw or going for the 3 points. I am still not Jose's biggest fan but had to laugh when he talked about "controlling the game" implying Klopp cannot do it for their biggest home game of the season.

As for Klippity talking about acceptable styles of football - this is the team that has not won a top tier title or too much else since the back pass to the keeper was banned.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their record for the calendar year is shite so I think Klopp should shut the fuck up about other teams & how they play. His record is as bad as Rogers'. Would have been sweet to beat them but they are always a shit game for us. If we do them at OT, job done as far as they're concerned for another year.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what Mourinho said after the match.
In my opinion, he set out thinking that Klopp specific changes we would catch them on the break and win the match.
Klopp didn't do what he thought and according to Mourinho we didn't have the players on the bench to change the game.
My conclusion he didn't have a plan 'B' or maybe he thought we didn't have any game changers on the bench.
I would be pretty pissed of if I was on the bench and I heard that.
All in all it's a long season and a draw is better than a loss but I don't spending match days hoping that City fuck up Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:


...city went to Chelsea recently and played them off the park, we will no doubt go there and park the bus. that doesn't mean I want to start supporting city ffs, what it means is we want to win, we all do,and where possible by playing attacking football.



City also managed to scab a home point against Everton, whereas we stuffed them 4-0.

just saying, If we're comparing like for like.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
there are times to park a bus;
first leg away semis to barcelona or Madrid perhaps maybe city away or Chelsea or spurs.... but a vermin side who couldn't beat burnley, newacstle or Leicester I just don't think yesterday called for us to be so negative.


Quite. On occasion a defensive, cautious approach is understandable, and more than necessary, but that seems to be our mentality going into any and every 'big' game now. Even against shitty opposition like yesterday. It's dull, frustrating and ultimately depressing: instead of getting excited about these clashes I'm starting to become pessimistic. My passion for United has numbed over the years for a multitude of reasons, but if it gets to the stage where I shrug at the prospect of an away game at Anfield that'll truly be worrying.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dave wrote:
john smith wrote:
there are times to park a bus;
first leg away semis to barcelona or Madrid perhaps maybe city away or Chelsea or spurs.... but a vermin side who couldn't beat burnley, newacstle or Leicester I just don't think yesterday called for us to be so negative.


Quite. On occasion a defensive, cautious approach is understandable, and more than necessary, but that seems to be our mentality going into any and every 'big' game now. Even against shitty opposition like yesterday. It's dull, frustrating and ultimately depressing: instead of getting excited about these clashes I'm starting to become pessimistic. My passion for United has numbed over the years for a multitude of reasons, but if it gets to the stage where I shrug at the prospect of an away game at Anfield that'll truly be worrying.


I think it's the default mentality of JM and SAF both but it changes when they feel a different vibe. We had some excellent wins at Chelsea, Arsenal, Murdering Scum, City, Newcastle, Blackburn to name the competition of our best years but they usually came after earning the right to play that way. Usually we set up to stifle and nick it.

I don't think we should be using the excuse that PSG and City can outspend us. We either don't compete for those players or they prefer to go elsewhere. We're not Celtic and it is just as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarzinio wrote:
But I don't spending match days hoping that City fuck up Evil or Very Mad


Which is a good job at the minute Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always happy to not get beaten, I feel the same when we play away at City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham and Stoke. They all raise their game against us, even when we’ve been shite. If we turn them over at home, which we usually do, then that’s 4 points from 6 against our nearest rivals / small time clubs (delete as appropriate).

Jose is a pragmatist, whilst we’d all prefer us to turn up and have a real go there is absolute logic in the approach he takes.
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