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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Swansea Reply with quote

With us in 'crisis' ( Wink ) this game nearly passed me by.

I expect another cautious approach, especially given the squad rotation we are likely to see.

Really want to see Shaw get a good run out. Fuck knows what's going on there. He is a lad with great potential but Jose doesnt seem to trust him. Strange given he'll probably still trust Lindlehof.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, what the hell is happening with Luke Shaw? Nobody seems to know.

At least £30 mill seems like a few pennies thanks to the ridiculous inflation in the transfer market.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice performance, some useful run outs and in complete control from the first whistle through to the last. Will do us no harm going into Saturday’s game.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to get back to winning ways, but difficult to judge when the opposition just didn't seem interested.

Thought McTominay and Axel done well. Far too often youngsters coast through games like this, but they clearly wanted to make impact on the game.

Lingard is an odd one. Just as I start thinking I was wrong, and he is actually shite, he pops up with 2 excellent goals.

This Shaw situation is baffling. It's like he's a naughty schoolboy being punished for not tidying his room. I don't get Jose's objectives. If he is out of his plans don't put him in the squad and release him in January to allow him to save his career, if he is give the lad a chance and a run of games to rebuild confidence.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only issue with Shaw is fitness and weight. Poch had concerns at Soton and it has been mentioned internationally. It's really in his control.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What’s the problem with Shaw? Fitness, weight, lifestyle and his attitude. He is in a position that we’d all give both bollocks to be in, but doesn’t seem to appreciate that hard work, eating the right things and sacrificing pizza night with his mates is a small price to pay. The boy is eating his way out of United.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
What’s the problem with Shaw? Fitness, weight, lifestyle and his attitude. He is in a position that we’d all give both bollocks to be in, but doesn’t seem to appreciate that hard work, eating the right things and sacrificing pizza night with his mates is a small price to pay. The boy is eating his way out of United.

I wasn't aware these problems still existed to be honest. Haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. As far as I was aware he's been playing for the u23's with no issues. I also don't hear him in the press bitching/moaning about it. Just seems to get on with it.

If his attitude is that bad why don't we cut him loose of get him out on loan? Surely being left to rot can't be much good for anyone? A bit of devils advocate, but could his current situation be contributing to a poor attitude, if he has one?

Also, he wouldnt be the first player to over indulge but still offer something on the pitch. Perhaps a run of games will refocus the mind and make him realise what he is missing.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaw played for the reserves last week in what many called a make or break game, and he barely looked interested. Slow to track back, wayward passing, and looked bored. The pundits after the match were more or less in agreement that they felt his United career was over.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three premier league managers and an international manager have all questioned his fitness/fatness and his attitude. I doubt they're all wrong.

His contract is up at the end of the season and I fear it would be in United's best interest to trigger the 12-month extension clause in his contract in order to get a decent price (ie, 1/3 what we paid?) for him.

Nice if Spurs would take him as part payment for Danny Rose, pity Poch knows him too well from their Soton days.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

last season we had a game where Jose questioned a few players, I think Smalling was one, cant recall who else?.
basically he made it clear improve or we will replace you.

if I recall correctly he then did a similar thing with Shaw later in the season,

this clearly didn't work, some people rise to a challenge , some decide to pop out for a 18" meat feast (that's a pizza, not some gay evening)

shaw appears to have done the later.

mentally it would be easy to say he just wasn't cut out for a big club and got complacent.
I believe his leg break affected him mentally too much. I am sure United had Psychologists as well as physios who helped him recover, but sadly the lad looks to have lost his way.
I genuinely hope he goes to another club maybe Championship and re lights his fire. He was on the cusp of being a cracking player, but life throws some curve balls at you, no matter what your career and he failed to hit this one.
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