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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject: Derby Reply with quote

Good game that!

I know it's easy to say "it's only derby", but you can only beat what's put in front of you. A perfect way to follow the Everton game.

Thought everyone played well, with exception of Mhky and Rashford. I both are in a bit of a rut. Getting a few wins on the board usually sorts that out. I am getting concerned about Mhky though. He seems very fragile. Not sure he has the mental strength to remain at the club. It's a shame, as he is fantastic to watch on his day
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went tonight, took Zoo jnr to his 1st game at OT, I haven't been to a game since about 2006. I enjoyed it, we kept the ball nicely at times, made lots of opportunities, defended well when we had to and ultimately won the game.

But............

We don't stretch teams, it's more noticeable when you are there to see it. We don't get in behind teams and get their back four turned around facing their own goal having to make awkward decisions.

Our full backs don't overlap, they physically check their runs to not go beyond their wide player, that's coaching, they are being instructed not to overlap.

Our wide players play in an 'inverted winger' position so whilst they do start out wide, they are always coming off the touch line back in field into the congested central area, this is coaching, again they are being instructed to do this and you can tell by their body language, their interactions with one another and their general play.

There is little or no dynamic movement off the ball, we have a team full of players that are very good at passing, from Blind at the back through Pogba, Mata, Mkhitaryan etc, they can all pass beautifully and normally you'd expect players to be sprinting into spaces, stretching teams and creating spaces. We don't do this, that's coaching. Players are quite deliberately staying behind the ball.

Pogba or to give him his correct name Jogpa, he's an amazing, wonderful footballer but he needs to learn a sense of urgency, he can't keep swanning around the pitch like its an exhibition match. He never breaks a sweat which shows just how easy he finds the game but also shows that we are only getting 60% out of him at the moment.

Lukaku can't play up front alone, he can't do it and we need to stop trying to make him something he isn't. I think Martial should play up alongside him, they can form a truly terrifying partnership and Pogba should be playing further up the pitch in behind them as a pair up front with a player just in behind them they can genuinely be world beaters, all 3 French speaking, all around the same age, they clearly seem to get on off the pitch as well.

Mkhitaryan did look low on confidence, the ball was like a grenade for him, he just wanted to get rid of it as soon as he could. Not sure why, he's an obvious talent and has shown it at United on several occasions.

All in all a great night out Zoo jnr loved it, the football was neat and tidy, Lingard's goal was excellent.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoo how is the atmosphere in your opinion since you went last?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No different, still poor.

Genuinely the biggest difference I noticed after a decade of watching non-league was how nice the toilets were.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have really tried to warm to Mikky, when he first played he looked lost, homesick perhaps, but occasionally he showed glipmses of brilliance

last night i would have slapped the cunt, he looked (and last game) like a bloke who simply does not want to be here, Jose seems to have given him the chances and he has simply acted like he cannot be arsed, his passing yesterday and the last games was absolutely shocking, as i see it he is stealing a fucking healthy living off Utd and should just simply fuck off asap.

as he was taken off at half time i feel Jose may think the same.


if we have any scouts in Germany we should bring them home. Kagawa, Hargreaves, Mikky , Bastain .....our buys from Germany have hardly worked out well have they ....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
i have really tried to warm to Mikky, when he first played he looked lost, homesick perhaps, but occasionally he showed glipmses of brilliance

last night i would have slapped the cunt, he looked (and last game) like a bloke who simply does not want to be here, Jose seems to have given him the chances and he has simply acted like he cannot be arsed, his passing yesterday and the last games was absolutely shocking, as i see it he is stealing a fucking healthy living off Utd and should just simply fuck off asap.

as he was taken off at half time i feel Jose may think the same.


if we have any scouts in Germany we should bring them home. Kagawa, Hargreaves, Mikky , Bastain .....our buys from Germany have hardly worked out well have they ....


He doesn't have the best of luck at the moment. He put in a great cross for Marcus who really missed a sitter with the header against the post. He needs an arm round the shoulder but maybe it's past that. Shame. He has great qualities.

I think the penetration to the by-line on the left is pretty good from Martial, Rashford Shaw, Young, Mkhi too, but Only Shaw has great control with the left. He is not a winger so the cross isn't his forte. Young can put in a half decent cross but he'd rather switch on to the right if given the option. Antonio seldom goes the extra yards and his crosses can be hit and miss. Mata isn't great on his right foot, so we usually take that extra touch. That's where City have an advantage with two natural wide men playing on their best side.
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Stig



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why did we just reject a loan deal for him ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
Only Shaw has great control with the left. He is not a winger so the cross isn't his forte.


Being a full back shouldn't stop him being able to put a decent ball in. Gary Neville? Denis Irwin?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bondurant wrote:
Jackl wrote:
Only Shaw has great control with the left. He is not a winger so the cross isn't his forte.


Being a full back shouldn't stop him being able to put a decent ball in. Gary Neville? Denis Irwin?


I disagree... imo it takes 2 to make a decent cross. 1 to put a good ball into the the box, the other to anticipate, react and get on the end of it.

I think Shaws crosses have been pretty decent. Well, put into decent areas anyway. Is it his fault that nobody is in the box?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think so too. I was just saying that the position he plays in has nothing to do with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that it is a particularly advanced skill.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
I don't think that it is a particularly advanced skill.....


I wasn't knocking Shaw, merely pointing out he is a natural left footer and he will run behind. I expect with the same experience he will become as good as Neville and Irwin.

To complement him I would prefer to see a quality, natural left footed winger.
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