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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:34 pm    Post subject: USA Shooting. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea...

But how many times do these shootings have to happen, how devastating does it have to be for Americans to surrender their guns?

The only argument I think the gun lobby could argue, there are so many guns in the US you can't just ban them. There are so many in circulation an outright ban would play into the hands of criminals. Theu wont give up their guns easily. It almost validates the "I need it for self defence" argument. It is a fair argument imo. You cant just ban them, can you?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
No idea...

But how many times do these shootings have to happen, how devastating does it have to be for Americans to surrender their guns?

The only argument I think the gun lobby could argue, there are so many guns in the US you can't just ban them. There are so many in circulation an outright ban would play into the hands of criminals. Theu wont give up their guns easily. It almost validates the "I need it for self defence" argument. It is a fair argument imo. You cant just ban them, can you?


You can ban them. Congress can ban them. But you're right, millions and millions of firearms in circulation and probably would be for several years.

I don't think even the most liberal of congresses or presidents will ever have the balls to ban guns.

Wouldn't mind Eye's opinion on this.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US will never give up their right to gun ownership, never. It’s a pointless debate to even have. I’m afraid the children’s lives are the tax that a culture of legal gun ownership must pay, its desperately sad, it’s insane, but there is no administration that is brave enough to amend the 2nd amendment.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/14/school-shootings-in-america-2018-how-many-so-far


we only see part of the story from over here.... Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US will restrict the sale of firearms the day they are used to systematically slaughter Senators and Congressmen. And not a day before.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As brutal as this may sound, I really don't have a great deal of sympathy in these mass shootings anymore.

It's like an addict who can't kick the habit despite all the help & support they receive and all the medical evidence pointing out that ultimately it will cause their premature death, they still need their fix.

Mass shootings like this don't happen in any other country in the world (or at least are incredibly rare & always provoke a reaction from government) and yet the US does nothing about it, the politicians do nothing about it, the electorate do nothing about it. They send "thoughts & prayers" they talk about improving mental health measures but nothing ever really changes.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting the local Senator even commented that people shouldn't make a knee jerk reaction to call for gun control because until they knew the facts they had no way of telling if that would have any effect.

It's the US's great national sickness, they have an uncomfortable fascination and familiarity with guns. When I was in the army as kid, guns were tools of our trade, we cleaned them and maintained them, we shot them and we handled them.....BUT we always had a very healthy respect for them. I've never met a soldier, serving or back out in civilian life that didn't have a respect for guns and most that return to civilian life never touch another weapon in their life. The Americans are just not like this.

I was once staying on a US air base for a few weeks between exercises in Germany, we were eating in the US ranks cook house and 7 of us were sitting at a table eating breakfast. A US airman came in, clearly part of the camp guard that day, he collected his breakfast and made his way to sit at our table. He carried a loaded M16, with a 40mm grenade launcher underslung. The weapon was loaded albeit made safe. As he got near the table, he tried to lay his weapon down on the table, all 7 of us said in unison "piss of", he was astonished but we were all adamant that we did not want to eat our breakfast with a bloke carrying a loaded weapon. That would never happen on a UK military base, you simply wouldn't take your loaded weapon to the cookhouse and to us this was complete anathema. We were uncomfortable about this guys blasé attitude, yet all of us were experienced soldiers who used weapons regularly. For us they were a necessary evil, part of our job, for the US they are a toy, a possession to be proud and boastful about.

They won't ever change and it's getting worse, in my life time the US has gone from 1 mass shooting per year to an average of 5 per year today. More Americans have died as a result of gun crime in the last 40 years than have in all of the wars and military actions the US has been involved in over the same period.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As brutal as this may sound, I really don't have a great deal of sympathy in these mass shootings anymore.

It's like an addict who can't kick the habit despite all the help & support they receive and all the medical evidence pointing out that ultimately it will cause their premature death, they still need their fix.

Mass shootings like this don't happen in any other country in the world (or at least are incredibly rare & always provoke a reaction from government) and yet the US does nothing about it, the politicians do nothing about it, the electorate do nothing about it. They send "thoughts & prayers" they talk about improving mental health measures but nothing ever really changes.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting the local Senator even commented that people shouldn't make a knee jerk reaction to call for gun control because until they knew the facts they had no way of telling if that would have any effect.

It's the US's great national sickness, they have an uncomfortable fascination and familiarity with guns. When I was in the army as kid, guns were tools of our trade, we cleaned them and maintained them, we shot them and we handled them.....BUT we always had a very healthy respect for them. I've never met a soldier, serving or back out in civilian life that didn't have a respect for guns and most that return to civilian life never touch another weapon in their life. The Americans are just not like this.

I was once staying on a US air base for a few weeks between exercises in Germany, we were eating in the US ranks cook house and 7 of us were sitting at a table eating breakfast. A US airman came in, clearly part of the camp guard that day, he collected his breakfast and made his way to sit at our table. He carried a loaded M16, with a 40mm grenade launcher underslung. The weapon was loaded albeit made safe. As he got near the table, he tried to lay his weapon down on the table, all 7 of us said in unison "piss of", he was astonished but we were all adamant that we did not want to eat our breakfast with a bloke carrying a loaded weapon. That would never happen on a UK military base, you simply wouldn't take your loaded weapon to the cookhouse and to us this was complete anathema. We were uncomfortable about this guys blasé attitude, yet all of us were experienced soldiers who used weapons regularly. For us they were a necessary evil, part of our job, for the US they are a toy, a possession to be proud and boastful about.

They won't ever change and it's getting worse, in my life time the US has gone from 1 mass shooting per year to an average of 5 per year today. More Americans have died as a result of gun crime in the last 40 years than have in all of the wars and military actions the US has been involved in over the same period.
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