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john smith



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's interesting that Jose supporters don't seem to bother trying to defend him anymore ,
strangely i have actually begun to warm to him , in limited ways. i Like the way he deals with Players when he inst happy with them ,i like the way he has (agaisnt what i expected) stuck with Youth and T McT shows that..
but i can't fucking stand the way we play, it's like a broken record but we have no style, we have no out and out tactics, we don't counter attack, high press, sit deep, pass and possession, pass and move, attack with wingers , we don't seem to do fuck all, except wack it up to the big lump up front and see what happens, it's like Stoke 5 years ago , Jose seems to be a manager who's tactical nounce is past his sell by date. we simply go out as 11 individuals and play and see what happens.Maybe we need new coaches and let him manage?

when you see lower managers come to Old Trafford and play in the way we did last night , you look and think "well you can't really blame them can you"
we have about £243637 million pounds worth of players and i bet Sean Dysche could get us playing more attractive football than we are seeing .

i have been to a fair few euro aways, and i never really went just for the football, i went for the crack and hopefully see a decent game, if i'd gone last night i would have asked for my fucking money back.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not particularly pro or anti Jose... just want to see us win or lose playing somewhat decent, attacking football. If the style picked up a bit, I don’t care if he’s an ego maniac... I don’t want us switching manager every year though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And JS, you mostly went euro aways for the red light districts. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is everyone's thoughts on Scott McTominay so far?

Is he another sort of plain, boring centre mid who will sort of just about do a job? Is he the next Darron Gibson? Does he need some loan time in the championship?

Jose obviously sees something in him.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can play for 90 minutes and I don't even notice him. That's good because it means that he has not done anything terrible, but it's bad because it means that he hasn't done anything particularly well.

A poor man's Darren Fletcher ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can play for 90 minutes and I don't even notice him. That's good because it means that he has not done anything terrible, but it's bad because it means that he hasn't done anything particularly well.

A poor man's Darren Fletcher ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can play for 90 minutes and I don't even notice him. That's good because it means that he has not done anything terrible, but it's bad because it means that he hasn't done anything particularly well.

A poor man's Darren Fletcher ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafkaf wrote:
And JS, you mostly went euro aways for the red light districts. Laughing


perhaps i should re- phrase my post.

we went for the crack = the laugh, the banter , the general blokes on the piss on tour ,
not the white rocks smoked in pipes......


Shocked




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Wink Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't consider myself pro Jose but I think a change manager now would be wrong. He should be given until the end of next season before we really judge him. His football might be frustrating, hard to watch etc but my concern is another couple of years of 'transition' with a new manager. Poor performances aside, we are getting better results. I'd even argue Jose's behaviour has improved.

Our biggest problem imo is our defence. Jose can see it and the players know it. I think our default mindset is to plug that gap, rather than having the confidence to say "if you get 2, we'll get 3". Our defence often consists of Jones, Smalling Valencia and young. 2 converted wingers (although they do alright) and 2 CBs that were back up to Rio, vidic and perhaps even Jonny Evans. What's happened to Blind? He wasnt that bad under LVG was he? He's better on the ball as well.

I don't agree with the comments about long ball football. The aim of a long ball is to start an attack. Our long balls are a result of our defence panicking in possession. Even when they have time and space on the ball they rarely bring the ball into that space. I remember united sides of the past where a CB would make a driving run up the pitch. Giving the attack a new dimention. At the moment the ball just gets passed from side to side allowing the opposition time to reorganise.

A result of these panicked long balls is just seeing the ball land at the feet of the opposition defence and it comes straight back at us, forcing us deeper and deeper as the game goes on.

If, as I suspect, Jose can see the problem he should be given time to fix it. I've always said, good football needs confidence. We currently have none. A run of wins would boost that. Jose does need to do his part by installing a feel good factor around the club. He's attacked several players publicly (although no problem with that if the players are not performing). He now has to give the players a chance to prove him wrong.
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Jackl



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought JM was the only real available candidate in 2016 and similarly 2013. This was just timing. Others could have done it - Pep, Klopp, Conte, Ancelotti etc. They weren't available.

I think the back 5 (sometime 6) are all as good as most if not all in the PL but a tad lacking perhaps at CL top echelons. I think JM has addressed this with Bailly and Lindelof and time will tell.

I think Scott is an excellent player and if he is as good as Darren in his early years I will be pleased for him. However, I suspect he will have greater physicality and if he continues to be as unobtrusive as Busquets, I will also be pleased. I have seen him many times at youth level and he deserves his chance.

The front 6, whoever is chosen on the day to suit the game, is to me as good as most out there in terms of talent but the obvious lack of cohesion is a concern. JM has to harness all that talent and there is more than one thing. It has been exacerbated rather than improved by Sanchez but it is obvious he is trying so if the will is there from the coach down through all members of the squad I see this improving with time. Confidence is clearly key and Pog needs to sort himself out. He doesn't need Jose to tell him he shouldn't be getting bossed by the Shelveys of this world.

The next 4 or 5 matches are obviously make or break for this season.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any talk of getting rid of Jose are the ramblings of madmen, few if any could do any better. We have 2x trophies in the cabinet, we are 2nd in the league to a city side having an exceptional season, we now attract the worlds best footballers. Of course I’d like to see better & more entertaining football from United, I think that will come.

Talk of long ball? People forget how long we often went with Beckham in his pomp. No issue with long balls, sometimes only way to get past a back 9 is to go over them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always rely on Chubby to cut a swathe through the stuff & nonsense.

I’m changing my sig line.
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