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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Today Reply with quote

Having decided to get my boots back on I had the game recorded. Fortunately one of my team mates mentioned the result. I'm guessing he done me a favour, saving me sit through another 90 minutes of shite? Or did we put in a performance and just a bit unlucky?

When you see positives in losing you know your in trouble. Jose's not going to get us close to where we should be so losing is the only way we can get rid of Jose and press the reset button.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as bad as i can recall for years

absolutely shite tbh

we didnt have a fucking clue how to play , what the tactics were , or even who was meant to be doing what .

last week i told myself to stop watching this shit till Jose has gone, i wish i had heeded my own advice .

all it does is put me in a bad mood for fucking hours...

i saw bet 365 had west ham at 3/1 and put £40 on em, so i won £120.00 and still feel like kicking the dog.

we are so broken its awful to see. Embarassed Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Ham were not particularly good, the thing is they didn’t need to be. They got lucky with the first as it was offside, the second was an own goal, the third as we were pushing on for an equaliser. Formation and personnel were baffling and there was a distinct lack of creativity, particularly in that first half.

Right now we’re in big trouble, low confidence, no formation, no idea and no motivation it would seem. Which is criminal given the talent we have at our disposal
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bored of saying it but let us not forget, this side represents an investment of over £655 million in a team that was already champions of England.

Red glasses off, time for honesty, has any team ever invested that level of spending to end up as bad as we are right now?

It's criminal, much as I dislike the owners they have pumped money in and provided 2 managers with a record of success at top clubs and yet we are utterly broken.

Serious issues, serious problems we need an immediate response from the board. Jose has to go, it's clearly not working and to add to that cash in on the sulky French twat in January because he isn't United's future either.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
Bored of saying it but let us not forget, this side represents an investment of over £655 million in a team that was already champions of England.

Red glasses off, time for honesty, has any team ever invested that level of spending to end up as bad as we are right now?

It's criminal, much as I dislike the owners they have pumped money in and provided 2 managers with a record of success at top clubs and yet we are utterly broken.

Serious issues, serious problems we need an immediate response from the board. Jose has to go, it's clearly not working and to add to that cash in on the sulky French twat in January because he isn't United's future either.



if Jose goes first (hopefully soon ) i think we should let a new manager see what pogba can do, at Juventus and for France he was inspirational , i feel it's his relationship with jose that's gone toxic

it's not the first time everything has gone to shite between Jose and his star players Rolling Eyes

he said this publicly about Hazard in 2014

"When the comments come from a player like eden it’s normal because he’s not the kind of player to sacrifice himself for the team. Normally you get these kind of comments from players like him, from players that can’t resolve a problem like we had in the first goal.
eden is the kind of player that is not so mentally ready to look back to his left-back and to leave his life for him.”


after jose left hazard said
he had improved more after one week of working with Conte than after two years by Jose Mourinho.

in his last season at Chelsea the whole fucking team decided to stop playing for him
conte comes in - they add kante and they win the title with almost the same side Mourinho had.

i firmly believe a new manager could get a tune out of the squad we have.

even if we win fuck all, we may at least see some attractive football, rather than the stale pragmatic shite Jose serves up.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The attractive football thing is starting to become a bit of a red herring at the moment; a one stop shop solution kind of thought that we’re telling ourselves would make us feel better about United. I don’t think it will anymore.

Of course it’d be wonderful to have but I worry when this phrase is used without context. Attractive football doesn’t solve the ineptitude that we’re seeing week in week out.

There’s a need for change at the top, for a unified approach to transfers/wages/player profile, for a complete overhaul of coaching designed to actually improve player performance, for specialist coaching of the collective team, for a manager that has an identifiable approach to football that aligns with the requirements for success in the premier league (ability to keep possession in a fast paced midfield, to be able to handle pressing and attack with precision).

Our defence is really inadequate and until we solve that, Smalling and Lindelof will keep either hoofing the ball up to Lukaku or making calamitous errors. This is the first barrier to attractive football and until we solve these deep rooted issues we won’t get anywhere near attractive football.

And that’s ok. A structured side with players not making basic errors and performing defined roles well, with attacking players coached to combine and launch coordinated attacking patterns is the basic requirement right now.

I still believe that a lot of the players have enough quality to be a really good side and can mask the flaws over the short term. It’s just nott set up to deliver that.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:

if Jose goes first (hopefully soon ) i think we should let a new manager see what pogba can do, at Juventus and for France he was inspirational , i feel it's his relationship with jose that's gone toxic

in his last season at Chelsea the whole fucking team decided to stop playing for him. conte comes in - they add kante and they win the title with almost the same side Mourinho had.

i firmly believe a new manager could get a tune out of the squad we have.

even if we win fuck all, we may at least see some attractive football, rather than the stale pragmatic shite Jose serves up.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m42her wrote:
The attractive football thing is starting to become a bit of a red herring at the moment; a one stop shop solution kind of thought that we’re telling ourselves would make us feel better about United. I don’t think it will anymore.

Of course it’d be wonderful to have but I worry when this phrase is used without context. Attractive football doesn’t solve the ineptitude that we’re seeing week in week out.

There’s a need for change at the top, for a unified approach to transfers/wages/player profile, for a complete overhaul of coaching designed to actually improve player performance, for specialist coaching of the collective team, for a manager that has an identifiable approach to football that aligns with the requirements for success in the premier league (ability to keep possession in a fast paced midfield, to be able to handle pressing and attack with precision).

Our defence is really inadequate and until we solve that, Smalling and Lindelof will keep either hoofing the ball up to Lukaku or making calamitous errors. This is the first barrier to attractive football and until we solve these deep rooted issues we won’t get anywhere near attractive football.

And that’s ok. A structured side with players not making basic errors and performing defined roles well, with attacking players coached to combine and launch coordinated attacking patterns is the basic requirement right now.

I still believe that a lot of the players have enough quality to be a really good side and can mask the flaws over the short term. It’s just nott set up to deliver that.



i don't expect a new manager to suddenly turn us into Barcelona or utd from 1999 mate

however , most sides have the level of centre halves we do, jesus have you watched vermin? Matic- Van Dijk- Lovren !!!!
they're no better than Bailly-smalling-linderolf - BUT they have less to do becasue the rest of the team attacks and plays on the front foot, and their midfield gives them options, our midfield is made up of fellaini and matic -so in effect we havea back 5 !! Klopp bought a keeper and suddenly they are a diferent side all together .
no one can tell me MacGuire would have had that effect on us ?
Jose has also tried Herera and MacTomminay as one of a back three and that failed both times with hardly a mention!!!

going back pally and bruce weren't exactly Franco Baresi or Beckenbaur

if managed right it's the full backs who need to do the damage, Pep spent a shit load but he identified Walker straight away as an attacking full back and look what it did to city
we're using two 30+ years olds and expecting miricles.

when you look at the talent we have in the front areas i think sam allardyce could formulate some kind of fluidity from that . rather than the fractured, inept ,lack of understanding and flair we currently see.

you could argue its the players themsleves , but i don't buy that , Sanchez was class for Arsenal, he is a shell of that player now under Jose and that cannot be a coincidence.



it's turning into ground hog day - and as we all now know, doing the same thing each week and expecting a different result is making us look like idiots .
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to eat humble pie and confess any hopes I had that this would turn itself around by people showing some degree of flexibility are just about gone.

I am not even sure Jose could be trusted to pick a team for Tuesday right now but I don't expect him to go before then, nor do I think the club will have any immediate plan to replace him because of the paucity of genuine applicants.

I guess we will roll on to the next episode of this saga and await with bated breath the inevitable denouement.

Top four, a minimal aspiration, is gone. We are now in that LVG situation where whatever we do at least four above us will not do badly enough to lose their advantage. One of the consolation cups likewise. CL could well be next for a premature termination. It is derailed and would take a near miracle to put it back on any kind of track.

I would not give up on Pogba yet. I agree with JS that what he has done elsewhere Leaves him with some credit and I remember clearly what he did at City last season. I would wait and see who we get in first.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Ryder Cup Reply with quote

Golf is now more exciting than watching United.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Ryder Cup Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
Golf is now more exciting than watching United.


I don't entirely subscribe to that. It seems to me we actually play very well in patches but the attack does not score / enough during those periods. We just don't create many gilt-edged chances and, when we do, erstwhile prolific strikers fail to convert.

At the other end we suffer from the precise opposite and give away gilt-edged chances which lesser strikers convert. I couldn't understand why Scott was in there but understand now Jose's logic as to his use of the ball, I.e he won't just hoof it and he did play a couple of really good passes forward.

There was an element of bad luck in each of the goals as there was, for instance, with the Tottenham and Brighton games but there comes a point where you cannot but ascribe the bad luck to poor preparation and attitude. Jose may have become an unlucky manager which, in light of his pre-season behaviour, has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. In an egotistical fit of pique he has wished this on the club and has contaminated everyone else with the same selfish gene.
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