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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Lukaku Reply with quote

Am I alone in my frustration with him?

There is no doubt, on his day he is a beast. But does he have 'his day' often enough? Far to often he just appears static. This would be fine if his size/strength enabled him to hold up the ball for his team mates, but he struggles to keep posession. Quite often I think we'd do just as well sticking Fellaini up there as a target man.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how much can be put on him though.

I think his skillset isn't really well rounded. He does what he's good at really well but isn't good at the rest.

His strengths don't involve a lot of subtlety. He's powerful when on the run, pacy, and a good enough finisher; but hasn't shown a lot of evidence at United at being a good target man that can hold up play, nor does he have quick feet. His passing is also pretty poor from what we've seen too.

Which is why in the biggest games that are often tight affairs where skill & subtlety (eg an Aguero type in modern PL terms) or brute power and strong hold up play (eg maybe a Drogba type) are required, he rarely produces.

That's what leads to his accusations as a flat track bully.

Don't remember many occasions where he's really dominated a defence. That could also be down to how we play him and how our team is set up.

Part of the issue we have at the moment (one of the many issues) is that when we play badly it's really hard to identify whether the fault is with the player, the system or both.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly what Maz said.

He does frustrate me because I feel at times there is more there, more he could do but sadly it's impossible to tell if that's individual, system, team, coaches etc.
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Stig



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he has turned into a bit of a big lump and not much more;but it was great to see him slide to his knees and pump is fists when Martial scored the second - shows he's more about the team than himself.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't play to our strikers strengths, plus the strikers don't move enough - I'm not sure what came first, the lack of movement, or stopping making the runs as the ball would never arrive - this started under LvG and has continued under Jose. I'm not sure if it's tactical or player-related, I suspect it's a bit of both.

He's obviously a big, strong and athletic boy, he should be bullying defenders with his speed and power, he rarely does this as many have mentioned. I do however think Martial, Rashford, Mata, Young, Valencia could provide much better, quicker service and play him in more. He's deadly when he's instinctive, less so when he has to think about it. Strong parallels with Andy Cole in this regard, along with the need for Lukaku to develop his game so he's more than a penalty box player as a striking threat, just like Andy Cole had to.

The thing that Lukaku also needs to work on is his first touch, it's often the first touch that a serial killer would be proud of. His second touch is often as bad.
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john smith



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know he has played poorly for us in a lot of games - however i believe Sanchez is the man we should have as our no 9

if we played, sanchez-martial-mata- Lingaard or Rashford as our main offensive options, we have the , movement, teamwork ,guile, craft, ability and football brains to be a creative attacking side.

Lukaku is a trier, and i like him, but he is like an old style centre forward - he reminds me of emile heskey (not a good thing)
but overall he is an old steam engine in a turbo world, everything that's big and brutish and powerful, is no longer really needed in a game where the likes of Messi- agureo - salah -suarez are now the kings.

i believe that Jose still sees the battering ram style of drogba and thinks that's how to play.

that was 10 years ago and the game has moved on, maybe jose needs to try a new tactic Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't that it's his lack of skill,pace, commitment or any part of his game that is effecting his form.
Almost every time he pulls on the Belgium shirt he scores or crates
Then again Belgium play expansive attacking football and they have Martinez
We don't and we have a narcissistic, sociopathic who believes that bus parking and blaming everybody at Old Trafford apart from himself is the way back to the top
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The Dave



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering we rarely ever play to his strengths (through balls behind the defence that he can sprint onto, hold off the defenders and strike) I thought he did really well scoring so many for us last season. He aint an Ibrahimovic but he held his own as the lonely Mourinho no.9, doing what he could when he could and being more effective than he had any right to be in that role.

Having said that, he is a £75m striker for Manchester United and his touch and finishing at times this season has been utterly woeful (he missed gilt-edged chances in earlier games where we might not have lost so many points had he scored). He IS a confidence striker (IMO the clearest similarity with Cole) meaning this isn't the first (or last) time he's gone through a barren spell, but also worrying as we don't create too many chances these days for him to end his drought.

I still reckon we could get much more out of him (and others) by trying to develop a partnership with Rashford/Martial but I can't see that happening.
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