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Zoolander



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame Mark Robbins.
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Dee



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many things pissing us all off, but Jose's comments after the game - it is never your fault is it? Too many of my players injury prone, I got tired watching Robertson, we can't compare our level of intensity to Murdering Scum, etc.

He must know he's a dead man walking and because of the stupidity of Ed, it'll cost us handsomely to do it. A midfield three of Matic, Herrera and Fellaini says it all, not one of them can accept the ball under pressure and move it forward quickly. I think it was Giggsy that said the good strikers turn bad balls into good balls yet Lukalu manages to turn good balls into bad. Considering the state we are in, I didn't think Lindelof and Bailly did too badly. He has to go, this is about Manchester United, not you. A penny for the thoughts of Sir Alex and David Gill in the stands.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dee wrote:
I think it was Giggsy that said the good strikers turn bad balls into good balls yet Lukalu manages to turn good balls into bad.
I have no idea who said it, but it is spot on.

He is weak, often appears lazy (or his brain is one step behind where it should be), can't control or hold up a ball. You could even question his ability in front of goal (I'd back Rashford, Martial, Lingard and Sanchez over him every time). For someone of his size he should be bullying defenders, but he was second to nearly every ball. He looks like the fat bloke in a pub team whos given a game as they are short on numbers. If we want a target man, we'd be better off with Fellaini (I am being serious!!!!!).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
If we want a target man, we'd be better off with Fellaini (I am being serious!!!!!).


I'd agree with this and therein lies the frustration. The manager isn't getting the best out of the squad he has.

I've said many times, I don't really mind if we play a negative defensive style, of course I'd prefer the 1994 style cavalier attacking charge but if we go to anfailed keep it tight and nick a flukey 1-0 win off a lumpy ball into the box, I'll take it every time.

Not sure if anyone else has seen the theory doing the rounds on twitter but many reds are starting to think that Jose is doing it on purpose to get fired.

The thinking is that he's taken on a job that he now realises he can't do. He needs £500m just to get a side together that can finish 3rd, citeh can and will continue to outspend us for the very best (if they wanted Pogba they could've and would've had him) dippers & spurs have good squads with solid managers and are both on the up.

He knows that there is no instant success and at his age does he really want a 10 year Consistent failure dressed up as a long term strategic vision (would the board stand for that?) so he wants out but if he resigns he walks away with nothing, if Utd sack him then he walks away with a good few million & can tell everyone that it was the board & the players fault not him.

It sounds ridiculous but nothing else explains the truly bizarre behaviour, language, team selections etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
If we want a target man, we'd be better off with Fellaini (I am being serious!!!!!).


I'd agree with this and therein lies the frustration. The manager isn't getting the best out of the squad he has.

I've said many times, I don't really mind if we play a negative defensive style, of course I'd prefer the 1994 style cavalier attacking charge but if we go to anfailed keep it tight and nick a flukey 1-0 win off a lumpy ball into the box, I'll take it every time.

Not sure if anyone else has seen the theory doing the rounds on twitter but many reds are starting to think that Jose is doing it on purpose to get fired.

The thinking is that he's taken on a job that he now realises he can't do. He needs £500m just to get a side together that can finish 3rd, citeh can and will continue to outspend us for the very best (if they wanted Pogba they could've and would've had him) dippers & spurs have good squads with solid managers and are both on the up.

He knows that there is no instant success and at his age does he really want a 10 year Consistent failure dressed up as a long term strategic vision (would the board stand for that?) so he wants out but if he resigns he walks away with nothing, if Utd sack him then he walks away with a good few million & can tell everyone that it was the board & the players fault not him.

It sounds ridiculous but nothing else explains the truly bizarre behaviour, language, team selections etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:


It sounds ridiculous but nothing else explains the truly bizarre behaviour, language, team selections etc.


The turning point was Ed's failure to back him fully in the summer. He either needed to be backed or sacked and Ed did neither. Jose has sulked about it ever since and worse still he deflated the existing players and squad to the extent that they have clearly thought fuck it, I'm not going to bust a gut for this tosser. The players need to have a word with themselves though, it's on them too. They are not as bad as they're showing and they should remember they play for Manchester United, not Jose United.

Reports this weekend are that's he's lost 90% of the dressing room. I wonder which fuckwits in the dressing room still support him?

I would get rid of him now as by any measurable statistic we're in free-fall, and if this continues we will be lucky to finish in the top half of the table.

The way we're playing at present is relegation form, not that we'd go down of course, but the form is that bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:

The way we're playing at present is relegation form, not that we'd go down of course, but the form is that bad.


Too good to go down?? Watched a documentary on bt sport about our relegation to the 2nd division titled something similar. Although it shouldn't happen in the next few years, it has happened before... and we are closer to going down than we are winning the league, given our points tally.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
Chubby wrote:

The way we're playing at present is relegation form, not that we'd go down of course, but the form is that bad.


Too good to go down?? Watched a documentary on bt sport about our relegation to the 2nd division titled something similar. Although it shouldn't happen in the next few years, it has happened before... and we are closer to going down than we are winning the league, given our points tally.


That was a good documentary, I really enjoyed it and must admit I was slightly envious of not being old enough to share in the Doc's Army era.

We will not go down, but not because we're too good, it's because there is plenty of shit in the Premier League that are much worse. It's true though, we're far closer to the bottom than we are to the top - that alone at 2 games from the half-way stage would be enough for most United managers to be given the sack.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we can't afford to sack him, I sincerely hope the contract we offer the next guy doesn't have that clause into it. How about inserting "if it all goes to shit, you're out matey and if you're lucky, we might let you walk out the door instead of being thrown out the window"?
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(Hey, I just realised this is my 3000th post.)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye wrote:
If we can't afford to sack him, I sincerely hope the contract we offer the next guy doesn't have that clause into it. How about inserting "if it all goes to shit, you're out matey and if you're lucky, we might let you walk out the door instead of being thrown out the window"?
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(Hey, I just realised this is my 3000th post.)


3007 is the better celebratory post count.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thought occurred to me about 10 seconds after I posted no. 3000 Laughing
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