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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:13 am    Post subject: Sunderland Reply with quote

I really hope we just go for it. Throw everyone forward from the start, leaving just Rojo and Bailey to deal with any attacking threat.

What will happen...
We'll have plenty of the ball but be far too cautious with it. We will allow them to keep their shape by not playing early forward passes and it will mean our attackers have no room to operate. In the 65-75 minute it will probably be 0-0 unless they hit us on the break. Jose will make a few odd changes (Herrera at RB on Tues for example) and we will put long balls into the box, bypassing the talent Rashford/martial/mhky/pogba/Mata (take your pick). We will snatch at chances in sheer panic our rivals pull clear of us again.


All bets on a 0-0 or narrow defeat!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carrick's pass completion rate will be 99.8%. Not one of them troubling Sunderland however.

Rashford will continually beat their full-back in a race to see the ball into touch causing Zlatan to disdainfully shrug and adjust his pony-tail.

Herrera will be booked
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Sunderland Reply with quote

[quote="Southern Red"]I really hope we just go for it. Throw everyone forward from the start, leaving just Rojo and Bailey to deal with any attacking threat.

I hope that they have both have had a picture of Defoe stuck on their lockers all week Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

let's face it Sunderland are down, they're fucked, and they are SHITE ..
last 9 league games . lost 7 , drawn 2 , won 0,


we are unbeaten since October in the league but have scored less goals than Bornemouth or West Ham..

I honestly cant see anything other than another fucking 0-0 draw !!!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:

we are unbeaten since October in the league but have scored less goals than Bornemouth or West Ham..



it's Bournemouth, not West Ham.

...but let's not let facts get in the way of an opportunity to have a dig.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else a little disappointed with that performance, or am I just being fussy?

Good result, but against 10 men we could've gone for more. Goal difference could be crucial. It would've given our goalshy attackers something to build on. Fortunately Rashford got one. Hopefully that will give him a much needed boost.

Overall I don't think we done much wrong. I'd just wished we'd get the KO punch when we have the opposition on the ropes. We seem stuck in first gear and wait until the last 10 minutes to increase the pressure.

...the red card??? I'm undecided, but playing against 10 men does us no favours.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whilst it's a tad disappointing to only score 3 when we dominated so much , given we have big games on Thursday, Monday and Thursday to come, and at this stage of the season, I think a certain level of effort was required and that was all that was given.
so considering that a 0-3 away from home will do,

the ref was shocking, that was never a straight red, and some of the free kicks he was giving just looked like he was evening up the score constantly ..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are fine margins when someone goes into a challenge with their studs showing.
One instance can be a mere brush against the shin which can look worse by the avoiding action of the recipient (as in yesterday's case), another instance can be that suffered by Seamus Coleman. Personally, I think it was somewhere between yellow and red.

The fact that it was committed against Herrera (who's getting himself a reputation for overreacting) will have earned Larsson a bit of sympathy from the ABUs.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had he broken Ander's leg with that challenge, would it have been a red then? If the answer is yes then it was a red yesterday. It looks harsh but in today's game a straight-legged, studs showing, over the ball, with follow through onto the player is a red card.

Personally I think the game loses if every 50/50 ball is going to end up in a red card, but then I remember football when it was played by real men and it wasn't that long ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
whilst it's a tad disappointing to only score 3 when we dominated so much , given we have big games on Thursday, Monday and Thursday to come, and at this stage of the season, I think a certain level of effort was required and that was all that was given.
so considering that a 0-3 away from home will do,

the ref was shocking, that was never a straight red, and some of the free kicks he was giving just looked like he was evening up the score constantly ..


The game was indeed spoiled by an overly fussy referee. He certainly never played advantage for us. There was an element of evening out the score in some of his free kicks on 50/50 balls but the locals weren't having that. As I was their guest, and I know that they do have a habit of forgetting friendship at these encounters, I kept powder dry.

They weren't having the red card either. I was certain that, if the roles had been reversed Herrera would have got one, so I was happy to leave it whilst reassuring them that it wouldn't really assist us.However, it did remove their only dead ball specialist and therefore 99% of their threat.

Three excellent goals but, yes, it should have been more. The story of the season continues.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Had he broken Ander's leg with that challenge, would it have been a red then? If the answer is yes then it was a red yesterday. It looks harsh but in today's game a straight-legged, studs showing, over the ball, with follow through onto the player is a red card.

Personally I think the game loses if every 50/50 ball is going to end up in a red card, but then I remember football when it was played by real men and it wasn't that long ago.


Similar situation in the Ireland-Wales game a few weeks ago. Bale should have walked for a horror tackle on O'Shea, needed internal stitches after the game, shinpad broken... Ref bottled it and just booked him.

Two minutes later Neil Taylor break's Seamus Coleman's leg with a less dangerous tackle.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the first time this season that we actually took advantage (in advance of) a rival fucking up?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

north country boy wrote:
Chubby wrote:
Had he broken Ander's leg with that challenge, would it have been a red then? If the answer is yes then it was a red yesterday. It looks harsh but in today's game a straight-legged, studs showing, over the ball, with follow through onto the player is a red card.

Personally I think the game loses if every 50/50 ball is going to end up in a red card, but then I remember football when it was played by real men and it wasn't that long ago.


Similar situation in the Ireland-Wales game a few weeks ago. Bale should have walked for a horror tackle on O'Shea, needed internal stitches after the game, shinpad broken... Ref bottled it and just booked him.

Two minutes later Neil Taylor break's Seamus Coleman's leg with a less dangerous tackle.

This and some then some more.

It doesn't matter that "he didn't hurt Herrera". The fact is, diving in like that with studs showing is dangerous and can result in horrendous injuries. He deserved to go, he did it not once but twice, Pogba was lucky he missed him and then Herrera was caught.
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