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Nicolae



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
It was pretty close, though. Two scrappy gifted goals from non-strikers, and DDG makes one routine save all day. .


It wasn't really though was it? The scoreline flattered you a little overall if you're being totally honest
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicolae wrote:
Jackl wrote:
It was pretty close, though. Two scrappy gifted goals from non-strikers, and DDG makes one routine save all day. .


It wasn't really though was it? The scoreline flattered you a little overall if you're being totally honest


Well, yes, I understand your perspective. Mine was that, despite a lot of possession, City were pretty ineffectual. When they did score we woke up and equalised. We then went back to sleep, the same happened but City got the rub when a second equaliser looked on.

I suppose if we had played the whole match as if we were trying to get a goal instead of settling for this ultra-defensive style then you might well have picked us off a la Barca. We'll never know.

It just seems to me you look like a team at the moment which needs a lot of possession to score a goal against a strong defence but is a little shaky at the back, and we simply didn't have enough to put you under pressure but could still have had two goals.

I must admit I don't get the way we play at all. We did the same up the road, the same with Chelsea. Only with Arsenal did it work and then we were definitely lucky not to concede.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not vintage City (i.e. 8 years ago when they started) but we didn't have a go so our own fault. scabby goals from our own mistakes cost us. But we didn't deserve much the way we played.

Reckon this twat is a red.... Gallagher was only having a laugh. sure he's been at Arsenal for years when he moved to the smoke and city were shit.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicolae wrote:
The scoreline flattered you a little overall if you're being totally honest


How so? I can only remember DDG making one decent save in the 2nd half, it's hardly like you had our penalty area under siege or opened us up too many times. It took two howlers from us for you to score, if you're being totally honest.

Don't get me wrong, you were the better team and deserved the win, but the scoreline was about right when you consider the actual chances your lot fashioned.

Possession stats & number of passes don't count as goals do they?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at one stage they put a stat on the screen that said United had completed 51% of passes. Or put it another way half the time we had the ball we passed it to a blue shirt.

That is horrible.
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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Nicolae wrote:
The scoreline flattered you a little overall if you're being totally honest


How so? I can only remember DDG making one decent save in the 2nd half, it's hardly like you had our penalty area under siege or opened us up too many times. It took two howlers from us for you to score, if you're being totally honest.

Don't get me wrong, you were the better team and deserved the win, but the scoreline was about right when you consider the actual chances your lot fashioned.

Possession stats & number of passes don't count as goals do they?

If a Jose team sat back at 2-1, wasted time and hid in the corners for 10 minutes, he would've been slaughtered for it.

Nobody can deny city were the better team, but thats 'coz we were awful. But all this talk of some sort of magnificent performance... Rolling Eyes . It reminded me of us under LVG.
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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Nicolae wrote:
The scoreline flattered you a little overall if you're being totally honest


How so? I can only remember DDG making one decent save in the 2nd half, it's hardly like you had our penalty area under siege or opened us up too many times. It took two howlers from us for you to score, if you're being totally honest.

Don't get me wrong, you were the better team and deserved the win, but the scoreline was about right when you consider the actual chances your lot fashioned.

Possession stats & number of passes don't count as goals do they?

If a Jose team sat back at 2-1, wasted time and hid in the corners for 10 minutes, he would've been slaughtered for it.

Nobody can deny city were the better team, but thats 'coz we were awful. But all this talk of some sort of magnificent performance... Rolling Eyes . It reminded me of us under LVG.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scientists have searching for the grand unifying theory for years. Louis nearly had it. Pep is on the verge of a breakthrough. Ultimately the best game is the one where you play with yourself.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
...the best game is the one where you play with yourself.


You'll go blind. Be warned.


...like the Ref.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that first one loses one's hair.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
It reminded me of us under LVG.


Absolutely, with that much possession you'd expect many more real chances. I'm not a huge fan of Barca, Arsenal and now City's brand of football - I was even less of a fan of LvG's brand of football, possession for possessions sake, used to send me to sleep.

I see LvG has been having a pop at our football, saying his was much better to watch. I have no idea what the bollock-faced gin-soak was watching when he was with us, good football it was not.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have to accept it's far better than LVG. That was without discernible product so you had to ask what's the point? He would say he was working to it. It's "the process" (a bloody slow one).

Pep's has a point and that is to obtain the product. The simple fact is it isn't the only system which works but it is probably the most guaranteed. It is also the least exciting.

I can recall sitting at Wembley in the CL final in 2011 and thinking then the same as against City on Sunday, I.e if only our players were good enough not to become intimidated by this carousel and trusted themselves more you need optimum not maximum possession to beat it. I think Monaco showed that last season.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lads I hate agreeing with Nic on here but you're deluding yourselves if you think anything other than 2-1 flattered us on Sunday. They were the far better team over the 90 minutes.

It used to do my head in watching Moyes every week, doing the exact same thing but expecting different results... its similar with Jose's approach to playing against the top 6 now; his approach doesn't work in the big games anymore. He's set up against Pep three times now in the league at United and the results have been 1-2, 1-2 and 0-0. 1 point out of 9. Not good enough.

I wouldn't mind but I actually think we've the players to go toe to toe with them, like we showed for brief spells on Sunday. I fear its getting to a stage now though where Jose has such a complex about Pep that he's just terrified of getting beat by him, and it seeps down to the players.

It was like watching Stoke/Burnley/WBA in the 1st half on Sunday, pumping long ball after long ball up to a striker with no confidence whatsoever, was completely uninspiring stuff and sucked the life out of the game and the crowd. Yeah we've improved since LVG but is that the bare minimum now - Once its better than what LVG served up then we all have to accept it? Not for me anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree.

We couldn't get out of defense because of City's closing down and we just booted it up field. Hence the 50% pass completion rate.
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The Dave



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

north country boy wrote:
Lads I hate agreeing with Nic on here but you're deluding yourselves if you think anything other than 2-1 flattered us on Sunday. They were the far better team over the 90 minutes.

It used to do my head in watching Moyes every week, doing the exact same thing but expecting different results... its similar with Jose's approach to playing against the top 6 now; his approach doesn't work in the big games anymore. He's set up against Pep three times now in the league at United and the results have been 1-2, 1-2 and 0-0. 1 point out of 9. Not good enough.

I wouldn't mind but I actually think we've the players to go toe to toe with them, like we showed for brief spells on Sunday. I fear its getting to a stage now though where Jose has such a complex about Pep that he's just terrified of getting beat by him, and it seeps down to the players.

It was like watching Stoke/Burnley/WBA in the 1st half on Sunday, pumping long ball after long ball up to a striker with no confidence whatsoever, was completely uninspiring stuff and sucked the life out of the game and the crowd. Yeah we've improved since LVG but is that the bare minimum now - Once its better than what LVG served up then we all have to accept it? Not for me anyway.


Completely agree. I don't get this "well we're dull and defensive, but at least it's better then LVG!" line. I don't wanna be dull and defensive at all, thanks.

But it's not just against Pep. It's most of our rivals. We go into every big match on the back foot, seemingly terrified we'll get slaughtered if we open up. We're a mega-rich team of talented players trying to prove we deserve to be up there, I simply can't accept approaching these games like plucky underdogs punching above their weight in the cup. Especially when it's not even working.
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