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Stig



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Has Jose Lost It ? Reply with quote

Complained that the City players played their music too loud before the match on Sunday.

Complained that the City players celebrated to heartily after their win on Sunday.

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho criticises the media for not asking enough questions about Bournemouth in a pre-match news conference.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deflecting attention would be my guess, SAF used to do it all the time. Take the focus of the players / match, or perhaps he has lost it? LVG went mental in the role.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how he has always been and no, he's not the first United manager to come out with stuff like this.

You can't remember the bollocks Fergie used to spout?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's lost it, he lost it years ago.

He's been peddling this cringeworthy dogshit for years. At least Fergie was good at the mindgames he played.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure he's lost it but the cringey shite he loves to spout is getting fucking boring.

I think he probably realises that Man United is unlike any job in English football. What I mean by that is even when we play well/ (or win) we get slated by: (take your pick) the media, pundits, Man Utd fans, every other cunt fan & other managers because of the style of play.

Louis Van Gaal got it bad, much much worse than Jose. We were shite under him, no excuses. But, I still don't think we were as bad as what they painted it as. We had so many injuries and a squad which was part Fergie, part Moyes and part LVG. City were god awful that year, just as bad, if not worse to watch yet no one gave a single fuck because they're not us.

With United you've got the cultural thing to deal with, the fact that every fan from every other club has an opinion of us speaks volumes.

Stop sitting back & let them fucking play and the guy will be fine. We have such good attacking players yet we pull Martial & Rashford back so much the only out we often have is to boot it up field and hope Lukaku gets a touch and sets one of them away. It's painful to watch at times.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have such good attacking players yet we pull Martial & Rashford back so much the only out we often have is to boot it up field and hope Lukaku gets a touch and sets one of them away.

Agreed. Today Lukaku was so remote from the rest of the team at times that we were hitting 35 yard passes to him. What is he supposed to do with service like that. We need to get players around him to play into and off him and support him.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say he's lost it, but the negativity around him and his tactics has started getting to me.

We seem far more negative without Pogba, so to have him missing in games vs most of our rivals hasn't helped. What also hasn't helped is that very few players have stepped up when we've needed them.

I still believe the best is yet to come from this current bunch and we have to stick with Jose to get there.

Back to the LVG comparison, LVGs team was boring nearly every week. Jose might park the bus in the big games, and I think we'd all agree our results would be better if we didn't, but LVGs football literally sent people to sleep. He got results in the big games but we'd them go and lose to a WBA. What ever your view on Jose and his personality, on the whole we are far, far better off now than we were at any point under LVG.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the current world of football who else would you have in the job? You can choose fantasy - I.e coaches who couldn't or wouldn't come - or be realistic and choose one who might. Who do you say would do better?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
In the current world of football who else would you have in the job? You can choose fantasy - I.e coaches who couldn't or wouldn't come - or be realistic and choose one who might. Who do you say would do better?


Absolutely nobody would do any better than Jose. We are 2nd in the league, a position we've rarely looked like occupying since 2013. We have a couple of pieces of nice silverware in the cabinet. We are in the knockout phases of the Champions League, having qualified with some ease. We are playing our best football since the SAF era.

City have been extraordinary this season in the league. Rather than talk of replacing Jose we should begrudgingly doffing our caps to City. We're a couple of players and a bit of belief short of where we need to be, but we're only a little short.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:

Absolutely nobody would do any better than Jose. We are 2nd in the league, a position we've rarely looked like occupying since 2013. We have a couple of pieces of nice silverware in the cabinet. We are in the knockout phases of the Champions League, having qualified with some ease. We are playing our best football since the SAF era.

...and City aside, only the vermin have come anywhere near scoring as many as we have, and they've conceded twice as many as we have!


You're absolutely right Chubby.
You're also wasting your time trying to explain.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Jackl wrote:
In the current world of football who else would you have in the job? You can choose fantasy - I.e coaches who couldn't or wouldn't come - or be realistic and choose one who might. Who do you say would do better?


Absolutely nobody would do any better than Jose. We are 2nd in the league, a position we've rarely looked like occupying since 2013. We have a couple of pieces of nice silverware in the cabinet. We are in the knockout phases of the Champions League, having qualified with some ease. We are playing our best football since the SAF era.

City have been extraordinary this season in the league. Rather than talk of replacing Jose we should begrudgingly doffing our caps to City. We're a couple of players and a bit of belief short of where we need to be, but we're only a little short.


Can't help but agree. I think we more than match City at the back but they have three excellent central midfielders where we have two and a question to ask about who can fill that third space. One of the two has also been unnecessarily absent for too many matches which must have cost us six points at least.

I do think City deserve to be where they are and others have to do something about if they want their place in the sun. No divine right in this league.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
In the current world of football who else would you have in the job? You can choose fantasy - I.e coaches who couldn't or wouldn't come - or be realistic and choose one who might. Who do you say would do better?

Even if we could pick a fantasy coach, I'm not convinced we would be much better off.

Does anyone think we'd be in a better position now if Pep became our manager when LVG was axed?

Peps job has been relatively simple. Take a hugely underperforming team, throw huge amounts of money at it and get all the plaudits. Jose on the other hand, took a team that had probably overachieved before Moyes fucked us, then we had LVG coach the imagination out of the players and left us looking down the table rather than up.

As things stand we are the best of the rest. It's not always pretty. In fact dinner with the in-laws can be more enjoyable. But wins breed confidence and you cannot play great football without that.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
Jackl wrote:
In the current world of football who else would you have in the job? You can choose fantasy - I.e coaches who couldn't or wouldn't come - or be realistic and choose one who might. Who do you say would do better?

Even if we could pick a fantasy coach, I'm not convinced we would be much better off.

Does anyone think we'd be in a better position now if Pep became our manager when LVG was axed?

Peps job has been relatively simple. Take a hugely underperforming team, throw huge amounts of money at it and get all the plaudits. Jose on the other hand, took a team that had probably overachieved before Moyes fucked us, then we had LVG coach the imagination out of the players and left us looking down the table rather than up.

As things stand we are the best of the rest. It's not always pretty. In fact dinner with the in-laws can be more enjoyable. But wins breed confidence and you cannot play great football without that.



i think you're being dismissive of just what Pep has done by saying his job was simple mate , he took a side and basically dismantled it, Hart, Zabeleta, clichy , Kolorov ,sagna, Nasri, etc etc all shipped out ( for a fraction of what they costs mind, so the profit and loss account must look bleak!!!)

then, ok we can agree he has thrown huge sums at replacing them , stones and walker at £100 million for example , but he has then got the whole side mentally changed in how they approach games, last season they were ridiculed for playing out from the back, as players like stones looked incapable of playing that way, now no one notices them do it because its seamless. the passing last week may look like possession for the sake of it,and as someone commented here the other day it was like us under LVG , but to me it looked like a side totally confident in their own ability.
they came to their biggest rivals, away from home , the team in second pace and controlled the game from start till the finish !!
look at Sterling he has been a revelation under Pep, and last week he left Agureo on the bench and they still beat us.
i read the other day Pep has spent over 1 billion in his time at city, barca and Bayern Shocked Shocked Shocked
and in his time at City he has spent over £400,million !!
that is mind blowing and only PSG can compete with fantasy numbers like that, but let's give some credit where it's due (only a bit mind)
in the space of a season and half he has turned city into a very very good side, and one we have to raise our game to catch.
we are undoubtedly progressing under Jose, points wise, goals wise, position wise etc, and the football is better. I just think many of us feel that he could inject more attacking play into our side and still get the same results, like SR says we are the best of the rest and that's as good as it can be for now.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



To City.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is the football style and quality we are going to be subjected to whilst under Mourinho, then I don't know how long he will last in the job.

The board will want trophies - it doesn't look like that's happening this season for the major ones. They also want a manager who behaves himself - Jose has already divided the fans with some of his antics.

I don't know, I'm glad we have the man as he was seemingly the answer the our otoblems but something is not tight.

We can't blame the players' form or their quality. A world class manager can get the best out of almost any type of player. Jose doesn't seem to be an expert in this field. Yet, anyway.

If by next season, we are in a similar position and playing just as terribly, there would be no surprises if the board and Jose mutually agree to call it a day.

However, summarising things for a minute. Second in the league. A small tint chance to overcome the points deficit. We've done it before. Still in CL and F.A cup to come.
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