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Atletico Madrid forward 'sorry' for painting himself black
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Stig



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Atletico Madrid forward 'sorry' for painting himself black Reply with quote



Is this really offensive / racist / whatever? It is a fair representation of the Harlem Globetrotters in the 70s and he is going to a fancy dress party.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there one of these every year? Some honky footballer blacks up for a fancy dress party, then comes out almost immediately to apologise?

I don't see anything wrong with it, but if they're gonna do it at least have the balls to see it through and defend your decision. Or don't bother in the first place. Just don't go through with it then pussy out with an apology after.

Perhaps his agent thought with the January transfer window closing in he needed to be back in the papers.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dave wrote:
Isn't there one of these every year? Some honky footballer blacks up for a fancy dress party, then comes out almost immediately to apologise?

I don't see anything wrong with it, but if they're gonna do it at least have the balls to see it through and defend your decision. Or don't bother in the first place. Just don't go through with it then pussy out with an apology after.

Perhaps his agent thought with the January transfer window closing in he needed to be back in the papers.




exactly what i said when i saw it .
who the fucks he apolgised to ? every black man that's ever lived ??
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No issue here.

He's dressing up as a Harlem Globetrotter.

No malice.

No need to apologise.

It's not as if he's painted himself dark and held up a sign saying that he's Lewis Hamilton's family (this actually happened in Spain).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone seen the film white chicks (awful film, I don't recommend it)?

2 black guys dress up as 2 white blonde women and act like complete tits.. imagine the outrage if this was reversed....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
Anyone seen the film white chicks (awful film, I don't recommend it)?

2 black guys dress up as 2 white blonde women and act like complete tits.. imagine the outrage if this was reversed....



I'm trying very hard. All I can imagine is people on Twitter getting pissed off and other typing 'snowflakes' back at them. Humanity has become that fucking pathetic.

Oh, yeah, and White Chicks is a fucking terrible film. Almost as piss poor as this thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racism is defined as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"

I can fully understand why blacking-up in any form is considered very poor form, this has antagonized people, ergo it's racist. I'm amazed any one can defend it, it's in the same place as the Gollywog on jam jars.

Of all the things you can dress up as, surely one that doesn't risk offending people is the wisest choice?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
Racism is defined as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"

I can fully understand why blacking-up in any form is considered very poor form, this has antagonized people, ergo it's racist. I'm amazed any one can defend it, it's in the same place as the Gollywog on jam jars.

Of all the things you can dress up as, surely one that doesn't risk offending people is the wisest choice?


Gotta disagree there. That's like saying you can't ever tell any risque jokes as they may offend somebody somewhere. If a person wants to read so much into it to be offended by Greizmann they have the right to be, just as he has the right to do it without those intentions in the first place. Simply being offended by something should not be enough to stop everyone else doing it.

I also don't understand this modern trait for reminding people why they should be offended by something cos of something that was offensive in the past. What does this gain? How are we supposed to move on as a species if we keep dwelling on this shit?

IMO the sooner we can all just have a laugh and stop being so precious about everything the better for everyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll agree to disagree, Dave.

I would not turn up to a bar mitzvah dressed as a Nazi, in the same way I wouldn't choose to black-up in any form for fancy dress. They are at very least inappropriate, at worst they are grossly offensive. Why run the risk?

With an almost limitless amount of non-offensive options to choose I'd choose one of those. I think this is particularly important when you're in the the public eye.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on, Chubby, where's your sense of humour?

Let's all move on from all that slavery and holocaust shit, eh?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Captain Buzzkill. Laughing

Health & safety gone mad.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m happy to be a buzzkill on this particular topic, it’s not a question of sense of humour, it’s a question of a sense of taste. I find humour that we’d hear in your average Jim Davidson gig as unfunny then as I do now, I put blacking-up in the same pile of 1970’s shite that’s rightly no longer accepted as appropriate. Even if he’s trying to be in context with the Globetrotters, why black up? There are, and there have been, white globetrotters.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the answer is not if the perpetrator of the act intends it to be offensive but if other people could find it offensive.

For example I no longer refer to people from Pakistan by a shortened form of their country - to do so would not in anyway imply any disrespect or racism on my part, but because they would find it to be so it means that I would not do it; and if they find it to be insulting or racist then me doing it would be insulting or racist although when spoken it would not be intended as such. If you follow that circle.

So if dressing up and blackening your skin is intended to be fun -- it must be clear that someone will find it offensive SO DON'T DO IT !
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
I think that the answer is not if the perpetrator of the act intends it to be offensive but if other people could find it offensive.

For example I no longer refer to people from Pakistan by a shortened form of their country - to do so would not in anyway imply any disrespect or racism on my part, but because they would find it to be so it means that I would not do it; and if they find it to be insulting or racist then me doing it would be insulting or racist although when spoken it would not be intended as such. If you follow that circle.

So if dressing up and blackening your skin is intended to be fun -- it must be clear that someone will find it offensive SO DON'T DO IT !



This. And Chubby's.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby, your sarcasm-meter needs re-calibrating.

Of course he was a fucking idiot blacking up & anyone who can't understand why it's offensive is stupid or being wilfully obtuse.
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