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Chubby



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chubby, your sarcasm-meter needs re-calibrating.

Of course he was a fucking idiot blacking up & anyone who can't understand why it's offensive is stupid or being wilfully obtuse.


That’s as maybe, but there’s an awful lot of stupid in this thread rather than wilful obtusity.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
tafkaf wrote:
Chubby, your sarcasm-meter needs re-calibrating.

Of course he was a fucking idiot blacking up & anyone who can't understand why it's offensive is stupid or being wilfully obtuse.


That’s as maybe, but there’s an awful lot of stupid in this thread rather than wilful obtusity.


It is increasingly hard to tell the difference online. I still hold out the hope that the people expressing support for the blacking up will just accept that it's racist and try to be a little more sensitive.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People really will go out of their way to be offended these days.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just put on a nice suit & go as Bradley Cooper myself. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOFB wrote:
People really will go out of their way to be offended these days.


Those damn minorities getting offended at racism. Those damn homosexuals getting offended at homophobia. Those damn Muslims getting offended at islamaphobia. How dare they! Rolling Eyes

Why would anyone want to be treated with respect and dignity? They should just man up and let white folk continue to take the piss in whatever way we feel like taking the piss. If it doesn't offend us it can't possibly be offensive to anyone else, can it? Freedom of speech, blah, blah, blah. Freedom to offend, blah, blah, blah.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafkaf wrote:
I'd just put on a nice suit & go as Bradley Cooper myself. Wink


Hmmmmmm......... more Tommy than Bradley i'd guess .. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
People really will go out of their way to be offended these days.


Those damn minorities getting offended at racism. Those damn homosexuals getting offended at homophobia. Those damn Muslims getting offended at islamaphobia. How dare they! Rolling Eyes

Why would anyone want to be treated with respect and dignity? They should just man up and let white folk continue to take the piss in whatever way we feel like taking the piss. If it doesn't offend us it can't possibly be offensive to anyone else, can it? Freedom of speech, blah, blah, blah. Freedom to offend, blah, blah, blah.



http://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/most-offensive-celebrity-fancy-dress-6318390

you'd best not read this Chubs .... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
Hmmmmmm......... more Tommy than Bradley i'd guess .. Wink


John, no need to be just like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Chicks is on the comedy channel. Lol - I'm writing to the regulator. I'm offended.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We'll agree to disagree, Dave.

I would not turn up to a bar mitzvah dressed as a Nazi, in the same way I wouldn't choose to black-up in any form for fancy dress. They are at very least inappropriate, at worst they are grossly offensive. Why run the risk?

With an almost limitless amount of non-offensive options to choose I'd choose one of those. I think this is particularly important when you're in the the public eye.


A Harlem Globetrotter is hardly the same as a Nazi for Jews. It's not a Minstrel FFS.

But I agree, as I said: he's not a moron and knew he'd have to defend himself, so why bother in the first place if you're just gonna apologise anyway?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dave wrote:
Chubby wrote:
We'll agree to disagree, Dave.

I would not turn up to a bar mitzvah dressed as a Nazi, in the same way I wouldn't choose to black-up in any form for fancy dress. They are at very least inappropriate, at worst they are grossly offensive. Why run the risk?

With an almost limitless amount of non-offensive options to choose I'd choose one of those. I think this is particularly important when you're in the the public eye.


A Harlem Globetrotter is hardly the same as a Nazi for Jews. It's not a Minstrel FFS.



This is where you're missing the point entirely, it's about blacking up, not about what you black up as. I would argue, with strong evidence from history, that white people are as responsible for an equal level of evil against black people as Nazi's were to Jews.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
The Dave wrote:
Chubby wrote:
We'll agree to disagree, Dave.

I would not turn up to a bar mitzvah dressed as a Nazi, in the same way I wouldn't choose to black-up in any form for fancy dress. They are at very least inappropriate, at worst they are grossly offensive. Why run the risk?

With an almost limitless amount of non-offensive options to choose I'd choose one of those. I think this is particularly important when you're in the the public eye.


A Harlem Globetrotter is hardly the same as a Nazi for Jews. It's not a Minstrel FFS.



This is where you're missing the point entirely, it's about blacking up, not about what you black up as. I would argue, with strong evidence from history, that white people are as responsible for an equal level of evil against black people as Nazi's were to Jews.


Then you're missing my point entirely, that I DO consider it to be what you 'black up' as; that if you have to go down a whole six degrees of separation to explain why it could/should be considered offensive then it probably isn't; and that those who seek out and shout about 'offensive behaviour' wherever they can are doing just as much bad for moving on society as genuine racists.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So answer me this Dave. Your company has a fancy dress event for charity, would you black up as part of your costume?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
So answer me this Dave. Your company has a fancy dress event for charity, would you black up as part of your costume?


I hate fancy dress. If any company I worked at suggested it I'd run a country mile. Wink

But clearly, yes, I'd have no problem with it (within context). Depending on the overall atmosphere/sense of humour at the company of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you accept that you’d consider the culture of the company before proceeding, but still argue it’s OK? Doesn’t that strike you as a bit odd? If it’s acceptable then why give it a seconds thought?
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