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Atletico Madrid forward 'sorry' for painting himself black
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Red Snow



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR, I appreciate your reply. Too much for me to comment on during this festive period. I will try and give a more thorough response in the next few days if I can or, if this thread dies, maybe PM if you're up for it.

Re not finding the stats, I've already pointed you in their direction. The LAmmy Review. It's free.

You say you were dismissed RE White Chicks. But I gave it a response. You might not have liked my answer but I engaged. That's not dismissal.

Re the Police. As I said, I work with them. I have done nothing but condemn false accusations of racism so I won't be going through that again.

Re class and race - I said it was both but you seem to imply it's only class. I've given you my anecdotal evidence and pointed you to the Lammy review.

I'm sad to hear you were a victim of racism in the workplace. If you reported your concerns I would hope it was treated the same - HR processes and the legal system are designed to be neutral in theory. You didn't report it so we don't know and I don't see any reason to suspect strongly that your report wouldn't be taken as seriously as the reverse scenario.

You've brought something new to the conversation in your final paragraph, the "assumption that white people, and only white people are racist and cannot be trusted". I'm sure this attitude exists but I'm not sure how this fits into our conversation. I never said it not had anyone on this thread. It's a very strong position and I'm curious why it's been brought up in this context.

I want to add that this is a tolerant country and there has been a great deal of progress in race issues. It doesn't mean I won't call out racism where I see it and I won't be made to feel bad for doing so. These are worrying times but This is how we create the future, by a full and open discussion.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at White Chicks even registering on a serious debate about race.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a middle aged white bloke from the UK I’m utterly aware of how the odds for success in life are weighted firmly in my favour. I am more likely to live longer, I’m more likely to have a better job, better education, better life choices, a stable family background, I’m less likely to be a victim of a hate crime, less likely to be stopped and searched, convicted of any crime or go to prison, the list of advantages I enjoy is a long one, it is weighted in my favour.

If the price I pay for all of the above is to treat people as equals, with good manners, not offend or judge them based on their sex, sexuality, race, religion or chosen gender then it’s a really small price to pay, really small.

Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafkaf wrote:
Merry Christmas Eyes, you spik.... from this Oirish pikey. Lol.





Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



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dark-shade-of-red



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naive on Griezmann's part and I can see how people of a black ethnic background may be/would be offended.

It is all subjective and being a white privileged male as it were, I can honestly say I would not be offended or insulted if a person of any non-white ethnicity 'whited up'. I just wouldn't. I'd be more offended that they speak ill of the great Rogue Herries or gave me further shit at how I once suggested a certain Spanish keeper get some game time in the Championship.

Again, subjective and I would hazard a guess many black people did not find Griezmann's costume/make-up offensive because they may believe that he was simply having fun by paying tribute to someone he likes. And it is a person's right to have that belief - regardless of your colour, because it is painfully obvious Griezmann was not setting out to offend - he wasn't dressing up as Hitler. He obviously has (offende) and that should be addressed, but for me, not enough to have 4 pages of a thread (that I am currently contributing to).

You could technically get offended by a man dressing-up as a woman because, putting some of the opinions to theory on this thread, it would be disrespecting women's rights and the second-class citizenship they endured for hundreds of years. It's obviously bullshit but it is the same thing. But because we have such things as transgender/transexual etc, of course it isn't offensive.

I would never 'black-up' or dress up as any controversial figure personally. Why the fuck go there is what I say.

Does Alex Baldwin get called a misogynistic, racist, Muslim belief hating preacher who is disrespecting all of the people Donald Trump has offended just because he impersonates him (yes, to take the piss out of him, but he's still putting the 'act' on).

BTW white slavery was a 'thing' which never gets talked about because of the vile history whites endured on black people in more recent times.

For fuck sakes, nobody has died, the world is moving on and you're all still a bunch of hideous cunts.

Merry Christmas.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You English cunts can say fuck all with your track record around the world anyway. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafkaf wrote:
You English cunts can say fuck all with your track record around the world anyway. Laughing


True dat.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can take it then that Griezman's faux pass was unintentional, ill-thought out youthful exuberance (of which no one on here has ever been guilty presumably) and that his apology was intentional, well thought out and the result of mature reflection? Can we draw a line under it, therefore, and not re-enact all the racial acerbities from the P and Q Celtic invasions until now?
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