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Nicolae



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark-shade-of-red wrote:
Stig wrote:
What does Sanchez have that we don't already have ?


He's currently a superior finisher than that of Rashford, Martial and probably Lukaku regardless of where he plays. An absolute engine up front.


Skillful, hardworking, good goalscorer, fast and can play in several positions. Streets ahead of Rashford or Martial
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its a shame it didn't work out with Mhky. He clearly has talent, but for what ever reason it just didn't work out.

A little side note... i notice city trying to steal our headlines announcing a new contract for KDB. MASSIVE!!!! Laughing Laughing


They really are a bunch of small time muppets aren’t they. Did they really think KdB would get many headlines? Petty little Berts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
I hope that we are getting him to fit into a system or because he fits what Jose wants and its not based purely on his ability.

We've had a bit of a scattergun approach to transfers in recent years. Plenty of "statement" signings but seems very few after scouting and consideration.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Mourinho has already praised his versatility, so expect to see him pop up in all of our front four positions. But he is a good player, and committed, and can play in them all so it's a decent signing. My only concern is that right wing seems his weakest of those four, yet it's the one we probably need to strengthen the most.

This sums up Wenger though. Sells a player who's talented, consistently performs, and is happy to throw his weight around. And brings in a flaky, soft, misfiring replacement who disappears for most of the game. If he doesn't quit on his own the locals will be rushing him out of the place with burning torches come the summer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dave wrote:
Southern Red wrote:
I hope that we are getting him to fit into a system or because he fits what Jose wants and its not based purely on his ability.

We've had a bit of a scattergun approach to transfers in recent years. Plenty of "statement" signings but seems very few after scouting and consideration.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Mourinho has already praised his versatility, so expect to see him pop up in all of our front four positions. But he is a good player, and committed, and can play in them all so it's a decent signing. My only concern is that right wing seems his weakest of those four, yet it's the one we probably need to strengthen the most.

This sums up Wenger though. Sells a player who's talented, consistently performs, and is happy to throw his weight around. And brings in a flaky, soft, misfiring replacement who disappears for most of the game. If he doesn't quit on his own the locals will be rushing him out of the place with burning torches come the summer.


This I doubt slightly, considering on the type of clientele they attract.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

68 wrote:
The Dave wrote:
Southern Red wrote:
I hope that we are getting him to fit into a system or because he fits what Jose wants and its not based purely on his ability.

We've had a bit of a scattergun approach to transfers in recent years. Plenty of "statement" signings but seems very few after scouting and consideration.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Mourinho has already praised his versatility, so expect to see him pop up in all of our front four positions. But he is a good player, and committed, and can play in them all so it's a decent signing. My only concern is that right wing seems his weakest of those four, yet it's the one we probably need to strengthen the most.

This sums up Wenger though. Sells a player who's talented, consistently performs, and is happy to throw his weight around. And brings in a flaky, soft, misfiring replacement who disappears for most of the game. If he doesn't quit on his own the locals will be rushing him out of the place with burning torches come the summer.


This I doubt slightly, considering on the type of clientele they attract.


I dunno, I know some Arsenal fans ready to put a hit out on him if he doesn't clear off soon. Even those soft muppets have reached their limit. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have heard , mainly media stirring the pot, and that get's picked up by muppets who then say
"he's only gone for the money "

so this is a genuine question.

if he had stayed another 6 months, and then gone as a free agent , would he have been allowed to negotiate his own deal?
so for example, instead of swapping him or buying him from Arsenal, we or anyone could have paid him £20 million +, plus wages ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully, players like Martial, Rashford and Mata will look at their new team-mate and realise you are allowed to move when you DON"T have the ball.

An absolutely fantastic signing, the sort of player who can be the difference between a draw and a win.
The fact that he's now snubbed both city and the vermin (in 2014) is a bonus.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
i have heard , mainly media stirring the pot, and that get's picked up by muppets who then say
"he's only gone for the money "

so this is a genuine question.

if he had stayed another 6 months, and then gone as a free agent , would he have been allowed to negotiate his own deal?
so for example, instead of swapping him or buying him from Arsenal, we or anyone could have paid him £20 million +, plus wages ?


Yes absolutely. Gary Neville gave a really good example/analogy of this the other day. He said that clubs don't look at transfer fees or wages in isolation, they look at the whole deal over the first 3-4 years, wages and fees all in and typically they end up costing about the same.

£20m now and £10m wages over 4 year = £60m deal the alternative would be that as a free agent (technically he could agree a deal now because you can sign a pre-contract agreement 6 months before your current contract expires) he would command a £5m signing on fee and £13.5m a year in wages = £59m deal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Zoolander"Yes absolutely. Gary Neville gave a really good example/analogy of this the other day. He said that clubs don't look at transfer fees or wages in isolation, they look at the whole deal over the first 3-4 years, wages and fees all in and typically they end up costing about the same.

£20m now and £10m wages over 4 year = £60m deal the alternative would be that as a free agent (technically he could agree a deal now because you can sign a pre-contract agreement 6 months before your current contract expires) he would command a £5m signing on fee and £13.5m a year in wages = £59m deal.[/quote]

Absolutely correct.

Except you can't sign a pre-contract agreement with a club in the same country

And he's reported to have been paid a £10M signing on fee anyway

And £15M for his agent

And £450K pw x 4.5 years = ££105M

And it was a £35M transfer fee (albeit £35M received in return for another player)

So it's a cool £165M total deal
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicolae wrote:
[quote="Zoolander"Yes absolutely. Gary Neville gave a really good example/analogy of this the other day. He said that clubs don't look at transfer fees or wages in isolation, they look at the whole deal over the first 3-4 years, wages and fees all in and typically they end up costing about the same.

£20m now and £10m wages over 4 year = £60m deal the alternative would be that as a free agent (technically he could agree a deal now because you can sign a pre-contract agreement 6 months before your current contract expires) he would command a £5m signing on fee and £13.5m a year in wages = £59m deal.


Absolutely correct.

Except you can't sign a pre-contract agreement with a club in the same country

And he's reported to have been paid a £10M signing on fee anyway

And £15M for his agent

And £450K pw x 4.5 years = ££105M

And it was a £35M transfer fee (albeit £35M received in return for another player)

So it's a cool £165M total deal
Wink[/quote]

i thought this thread was about Sanchez not Kyle Walker ? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicolae wrote:
[quote="Zoolander"Yes absolutely. Gary Neville gave a really good example/analogy of this the other day. He said that clubs don't look at transfer fees or wages in isolation, they look at the whole deal over the first 3-4 years, wages and fees all in and typically they end up costing about the same.

£20m now and £10m wages over 4 year = £60m deal the alternative would be that as a free agent (technically he could agree a deal now because you can sign a pre-contract agreement 6 months before your current contract expires) he would command a £5m signing on fee and £13.5m a year in wages = £59m deal.


Absolutely correct.

Except you can't sign a pre-contract agreement with a club in the same country

And he's reported to have been paid a £10M signing on fee anyway

And £15M for his agent

And £450K pw x 4.5 years = ££105M

And it was a £35M transfer fee (albeit £35M received in return for another player)

So it's a cool £165M total deal
Wink[/quote]



You can polish this up how you like, if we wanted to sign Sanchez 6 months ago, it would have been the above so-called calculations + £70 million.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicolae wrote:
[quote="Zoolander"Yes absolutely. Gary Neville gave a really good example/analogy of this the other day. He said that clubs don't look at transfer fees or wages in isolation, they look at the whole deal over the first 3-4 years, wages and fees all in and typically they end up costing about the same.

£20m now and £10m wages over 4 year = £60m deal the alternative would be that as a free agent (technically he could agree a deal now because you can sign a pre-contract agreement 6 months before your current contract expires) he would command a £5m signing on fee and £13.5m a year in wages = £59m deal.


Absolutely correct.

Except you can't sign a pre-contract agreement with a club in the same country

And he's reported to have been paid a £10M signing on fee anyway

And £15M for his agent

And £450K pw x 4.5 years = ££105M

And it was a £35M transfer fee (albeit £35M received in return for another player)

So it's a cool £165M total deal
Wink[/quote]


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark-shade-of-red wrote:
You can polish this up how you like, if we wanted to sign Sanchez 6 months ago, it would have been the above so-called calculations + £70 million.


Well £60M plus £250K pw (less United's HISTORY discount), as that's what was agreed / accepted between City / Arsenal / Sanchez yes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nic, you seem to have forgotten to off-set any wages etc against the merchandise sales etc a player like Sanchez will earn one of the biggest clubs in the world... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things.

£15,000,000 for the agent. I just can't get my head around this.

Are his wages going to cause a problem at the club with wages spiraling ?

And, have we been fair to Rashford. He is a centre forward that has been asked to play on the wing. You don't buy people and play them out of position but if they are home grown that seems to be OK.
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