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john smith



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject: dreaming Reply with quote

last night i was on sky and there was a programme about Ronaldo (ours, not the fat brazilian)

it went through his time at utd and then to madrid.

and it reminded me, fucking hell we were good then, the 2006 to 2009 seasons in particular. and He was absolutely fucking awesome, some of the football and his link ups with rooney etc .......

Shocked Very Happy Very Happy

all is not well at utd at the moment, i think we are all pretty much in agreement about that,, and wether we have the right manager in charge to improve us is debatable .

but without wanting to sound like a scouser living in the past, we have been blessed to be around during some of the greatest years any club has ever seen.

ah well back to reality Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The team between 2006-2011 doesn’t get the credit it deserves, it was a great team packed with top, top talent. SAF’s last great team. We were always going to become mere mortals once SAF retired, he was a one-off the likes of which we’ll not likely see again. We still revel in the Busby era, nothing at all Scouse about that, just like the revelling in the 3 great sides SAF created. We were lucky as fuck to be around to see it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was casting my mind back there and then realised you meant that one trick pony. 2 for Portugal in injury time yesterday. If only Wayne had shown the same application. But yes it was a double act. We will be back.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me Ronny signing and leaving us sums up where we were and where we are now.

We scouted, linked up with Sporting, arranged a friendly etc... He was fairly unknown, but we spotted him and done everything we could to get him.

When he left us it was the beginning of the end of a fantastic era IMO. The owners had not long taken over. We never sold players so valuable to the squad. We would be challenging the likes of Real for signings, not selling to them.

Fergie kept us going for a while after but, with the exception to DDG, we've failed to have any player performing to a "world class" level on a consistant basis. It's not Jose's fault, neither is it LVGs or, dare I say it, Moyes's. There has been a catastrophic failure within the structure of the club. We've allowed the dippers, spurs and, to a lesser extent city, to get past us. The only thing separating us from the others is our brand, built up over 2 decades of success. That goodwill won't last forever. When that goes we'll be fucked.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa! We will challenge again.

We all know why Ronnie went and it couldn't be prevented.

The story of the years after he left is not entirely correct either. We could have competed for Aguero in July 2011 and Hazard in June 2012 but famously there was no value in the market. Both went for peanuts in modern terms but they looked like risky investments by desperate clubs back then.

I suspect some of the money squandered since could have been shaken off the tree earlier with a little more pressure from the playing side. The austerity period started in 2005 (we all know why - because the club had to pay the leverage needed to sell itself) and this was extended perhaps by two years because of the 2008 credit crunch but it was over by 2010. SAF had bought into the narrative by then that he could do it without having to compete with silly money. So now we play catch up but we will catch up.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
We've allowed the dippers, spurs and, to a lesser extent city, to get past us.*1 The only thing separating us from the others is our brand, built up over 2 decades of success.*2


1. The dippers and spurs have NOT overtaken us (city may have, for the time being).

2. We were famous before 1998 (though you probably don't remember).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not having that either SR. Talking shite. Let’s wait a few years before proclaiming all that.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just saying what I see.

I'm not suggesting we can't get it right and turn it around. The ship appears to have been steadied. I'm not denying that. But I fear it could go the other way.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes we just need to remember that the glory years were down to one man's leadership and managerial skills that we may not see to that sort of level again.

But the glory years will return in some other form.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
For me Ronny signing and leaving us sums up where we were and where we are now.

We scouted, linked up with Sporting, arranged a friendly etc... He was fairly unknown, but we spotted him and done everything we could to get him.

When he left us it was the beginning of the end of a fantastic era IMO. The owners had not long taken over. We never sold players so valuable to the squad. We would be challenging the likes of Real for signings, not selling to them.

Fergie kept us going for a while after but, with the exception to DDG, we've failed to have any player performing to a "world class" level on a consistant basis. It's not Jose's fault, neither is it LVGs or, dare I say it, Moyes's. There has been a catastrophic failure within the structure of the club. We've allowed the dippers, spurs and, to a lesser extent city, to get past us. The only thing separating us from the others is our brand, built up over 2 decades of success. That goodwill won't last forever. When that goes we'll be fucked.


The first bit is not accurate, sorry SR. We didn't scout him, we played a friendly and he was so good in the friendly that SAF and the club did a spontaneous deal. It was more a case of "right place, right time, got lucky" than a structured scouting approach.

He left United because he wanted to, there was nothing we could do to keep him as his heart was set on Madrid. It wasn't a change in direction or strategy, it wasn't the owners cashing in, the boy simply wanted to play for Real Madrid.

There was certainly failings in the club, we didn't invest in the team to the level required and what Moyes inherited was a league championship winning team that had out-performed itself, largely due to SAF and weak competition. The players were old, with some past their best and it required major investment, Moyes did dilly-dally on signings so we ended up adding nothing of note. It wasn't until LvG joined that we started to spend, by which time we had 4-5 senior players exit. We bought badly, we continue to buy badly but I think that's the nature of transition and the nature of playing catch-up.

SAF also bought some proper lemons: -

Jim Leighton, Ralph Milne, Neil Webb, Danny Wallace, Dion Dublin, Karel Poborsky, Jordi Cruyff, Fabien Barthez, Juan Veron, Diego Forlan, Eric Djemba-Djemba, David Bellion, Kleberson, Ben Foster, Anderson, Manucho, Zoran Tosic, Ritchie De Laet, Gabriel Obertan, Mame Diouf, Bebe, Nick Powell, Shinji Kagawa, Angelo Henriquez, Alexander Buttner, Wilfried Zaha

The list of transfers that have been superstars is short, compared to the list of OK players and players that for whatever reason didn't hit the mark at United. I think we look at the 90's and 00's transfer activity through red-tinted specs as we were successful. Now we're not where we were we focus more on the failings than the successes.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:


SAF also bought some proper lemons: -

Diego Forlan



Behave yourself!

Diego has proven to be one of the few that SAF got badly wrong, not because he wasn't good, he was, in fact he was excellent but SAF couldn't get the best out of him. He played him out wide and 'in the hole' neither were his position.

Top scorer at a world cup final and winning the 'Golden Ball' for best/most influential player.

2 x Top scorer in La Liga

2 x European Golden Boot winner

1 x Trofeo winner (best South American player in La Liga)

Europa League Final man of the match

155 goals in 324 appearances in 7 La Liga season immediately after he left United.

I'd say this is the CV of top, top striker. Fergie fucked it up Forlan is/was top quality.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
Chubby wrote:


SAF also bought some proper lemons: -

Diego Forlan



Behave yourself!

Diego has proven to be one of the few that SAF got badly wrong, not because he wasn't good, he was, in fact he was excellent but SAF couldn't get the best out of him. He played him out wide and 'in the hole' neither were his position.

Top scorer at a world cup final and winning the 'Golden Ball' for best/most influential player.

2 x Top scorer in La Liga

2 x European Golden Boot winner

1 x Trofeo winner (best South American player in La Liga)

Europa League Final man of the match

155 goals in 324 appearances in 7 La Liga season immediately after he left United.

I'd say this is the CV of top, top striker. Fergie fucked it up Forlan is/was top quality.


Agree with all of that, should have been more specific, Forlan was a lemon for us for whatever reason we didn't get the best out of him.

There were quite a number of players that were very good elsewhere, Poborsky was useful, Veron was sublime, but neither cut it in England or at United - no matter how you shake a stick at it they didn't work for us, so they were transfer failings.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bebe.........

if this was facebook Chubs you would be unfriended, how very dare you Raise Bebe as a flop.


Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
Bebe.........

if this was facebook Chubs you would be unfriended, how very dare you Raise Bebe as a flop.


Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing


If this was Facebook the people on here would have been largely responsible for Phil Neville becoming the next US President. Shocked

I see your Bebe and raise you a Ralph Milne. Those two must be the most legendary failures of SAF’s transfers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Prunier or Taibi?
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