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Zoolander



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you look around at potential candidates I am not sure i see too many that jumpy off the page.

Pochettino - Always the bridesmaid and never the bride, plays nice football doesn't win much

Pep - Not likely to leave them for us

Heynckes - Too old

Klopp - Bit of a cunt

Conte - Bonkers

Zidane - Not really that impressive so far

Ancelotti - Mixed bag, has been very successful but at 58 now and his last 3 appointments haven't been great for him may have lost the hunger.

Ten Hag - Possible, will be interesting to see how he gets on at Ajax.

Dyche - Threw him in because I like him, he is currently the manager achieving the most with the least (a trait I like) gets the Premier League but hasn't won anything & it would be a huge step up for him.

Nic - Knows the history & tradition of the club better than any man alive, talks shit most of the time though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bring The legend that is Ole in as manager
bring Carlos Quirez in as coach
bring giggs in as motivational director
and bring Sir Alex back as director of football who also helps manage...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
When you look around at potential candidates I am not sure i see too many that jumpy off the page.

Pochettino - Always the bridesmaid and never the bride, plays nice football doesn't win much

Pep - Not likely to leave them for us

Heynckes - Too old

Klopp - Bit of a cunt

Conte - Bonkers

Zidane - Not really that impressive so far

Ancelotti - Mixed bag, has been very successful but at 58 now and his last 3 appointments haven't been great for him may have lost the hunger.

Ten Hag - Possible, will be interesting to see how he gets on at Ajax.

Dyche - Threw him in because I like him, he is currently the manager achieving the most with the least (a trait I like) gets the Premier League but hasn't won anything & it would be a huge step up for him.

Nic - Knows the history & tradition of the club better than any man alive, talks shit most of the time though.


I know Zidane has had a world class squad at his disposal but he still won 8 trophies in two years - including two Champions League and a league title.

Don't forget that world class squads have been managed by better, and have won fuck all. So to say he's not really been impressive so far is a bit unfair on the bloke.

For me, Leonardo Jardim has been impressive beyond belief in terms of the players he's coached and brought through the youth at Monaco.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:


Nic - Knows the history & tradition of the club better than any man alive, talks shit most of the time though.


Give me ONE season (and £400M) and I'll get you in the Championship I promise Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
If you’re talking about Sir Matt & Sir Alex then I’m not sure either backs-up the claim that we give untried and untested young managers a go. Let’s be honest, when Sir Matt joined Manchester United was not a big club, not a successful club, nor a particularly famous club, therefore the risk in the appointment was relativily small. SAF was in his mid-forties, had dominated Scottish football and managed the national team in Mexico, he was hardly a punt and he was also wanted by a number of English clubs, he was very much established.

United now, thanks largely to the two managers above, is huge. The pressure on the manager is immense, a young and largely untested manager will never be a viable option. We need experience, we need someone who is proven to cope with the demands of a big club. There are very few options, even fewer that are available, fewer still that are better than Jose. This is the cold, hard, reality.

Talk of The legend that is The legend that is Ole, or indeed any ex-player, has a great romance to it, but managing United isn’t a Mills & Boon novel, it’s as tough as it gets.


In the strange world of football managers Sir Matt & Sir Alex defiantly constitute as 'young' managers when they came to Manchester. You'll notice I never said they couldn't have 'any' experience & had to be untested (that would be silly), I just don't want another dinosaur in charge.

I have no idea why you're talking about Mexico tbh mate? He managed the Scottish national team & did well in the Scottish league system, if someone with that level of experience in the game came to United now you'd say it's a punt.

The pressure doesn't change for young or old managers at United, look at LVG, a proven winner everywhere he went. I'm not sure what your point is there either. It's gonna be tough for whoever gets the job so why do they have to be old men.

I agree there are very few manager better than Jose around at the minute & that's exactly my point. I don;t want us to join the managers merry go round we should take a calculated gamble when the time is right on a young manager who sets themselves apart from the rest i.e. Pep, Potch, Zidane.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO our perfect manager is now in charge of Wales cos we didn't appoint him when we got the chance.

Above all we need some excitement on the pitch, Giggs understood that and even in his short stint as caretaker made more of an effort to entertain the fans than any of our managers since Sir Alex retired - we should've given him the job then.

Mourinho's not coming under any pressure because of what we're achieving (comfortably second, FA Cup semis, two cups last season) - he's under pressure cos we play like shit, and the supporters are getting fed up watching this rubbish. IMO this is what will drive him out in the next 12 months, and if we bring in another 'pragmatist' to guarantee CL football at all costs it'll be groundhog day again. Whoever eventually follows him needs to play a style of football that gets the crowd off their feet.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is The legend that is Ole, for so many reasons. But if you don't like that Mark Hughes will be available shortly and has had MASSIVE experience in management.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect Timing.

West Bromwich Albion have parted company with manager Alan Pardew after eight successive league defeats.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lew956 wrote:
Chubby wrote:
If you’re talking about Sir Matt & Sir Alex then I’m not sure either backs-up the claim that we give untried and untested young managers a go. Let’s be honest, when Sir Matt joined Manchester United was not a big club, not a successful club, nor a particularly famous club, therefore the risk in the appointment was relativily small. SAF was in his mid-forties, had dominated Scottish football and managed the national team in Mexico, he was hardly a punt and he was also wanted by a number of English clubs, he was very much established.

United now, thanks largely to the two managers above, is huge. The pressure on the manager is immense, a young and largely untested manager will never be a viable option. We need experience, we need someone who is proven to cope with the demands of a big club. There are very few options, even fewer that are available, fewer still that are better than Jose. This is the cold, hard, reality.

Talk of The legend that is The legend that is The legend that is Ole, or indeed any ex-player, has a great romance to it, but managing United isn’t a Mills & Boon novel, it’s as tough as it gets.


In the strange world of football managers Sir Matt & Sir Alex defiantly constitute as 'young' managers when they came to Manchester. You'll notice I never said they couldn't have 'any' experience & had to be untested (that would be silly), I just don't want another dinosaur in charge.

I have no idea why you're talking about Mexico tbh mate? He managed the Scottish national team & did well in the Scottish league system, if someone with that level of experience in the game came to United now you'd say it's a punt.

The pressure doesn't change for young or old managers at United, look at LVG, a proven winner everywhere he went. I'm not sure what your point is there either. It's gonna be tough for whoever gets the job so why do they have to be old men.

I agree there are very few manager better than Jose around at the minute & that's exactly my point. I don;t want us to join the managers merry go round we should take a calculated gamble when the time is right on a young manager who sets themselves apart from the rest i.e. Pep, Potch, Zidane.


In the 1980’s taking players or managers from Scottish football was extremely common, the gap between the standard of football was not so large back then. SAF was an established and successful manager at domestic & European levels and had even managed his home nation. Being a manager in your mid-40’s when most players finished playing at 31-32 year’s meant by mid-40s you were an established manager, which SAF certainly was when he joined us. I’m not sure he qualified as a young manager, he certainly wasn’t treated as such.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great player doesn't necessarily make a great manager:
https://youtu.be/6GbqF9BYbcw

Cringe at your leisure.

IMHO the only way we're going to be truly successful again is for the next person we go after to have a clear, identifiable and defined approach to the game; that the ENTIRE club is on board with (fans, players and management).

Jose had the first part of that albeit not one we all agreed with (even Sir Bobby has gone against the grain in the past on this). So clearly he was never going to convince on the second part.

It's a tough ask, but it's the ask we've got. We've only had 2 really significantly successful periods in the club's entire history (granted they were over long-ish periods of time, but still). So it's quite possible that we have an extended fallow period before we find the next manager that ticks all those boxes.

It might have to be a leftfied appointment but whoever it is needs to want the responsibility of transforming the entire playing structure of the club.

It's got to be in the way that Poch, Klopp and Pep are doing (not saying they're necessarily right or right for us). But all 3 have a very defined way of running their team and the whole club around them buys in to it. You can't say Klopp has really been 'successful' in his 3 years but with the buy in of the club there's much more positive momentum there. Ditto Poch.

That's the kind of environment that I think is really crucial to fostering the positivity and momentum that has the potential to convert into success.

It's exactly what we don't have with Jose.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's right with the one caveat that managers can adapt. Fergie was pretty stubborn but he learned to adapt a few times. Notably post-Wenger 1998 and post-Jose's Chelsea. He also learned to adapt in Europe as well post-2002.

Maybe Jose has never stayed anywhere long enough to learn that. There has always been someone to move on to where he could use the strategy which worked for him previously.

This is probably, for him, the acid test.
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