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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you not question why players like MKhitaryan, Kagawa, Di Maria, Depay aren't at the club and didn't last and yet an incredibly limited blunt instrument like Fellaini is rewarded with a pay rise? At the same time players like Coutinho, Silva & Eriksen have arrived in the Premier League and flourished.


I used to, until the realisation hit that that literally every big player post Fergie that's arrived with any sort of reputation has struggled. Every single one.

It cannot be that all these players are mentally weak and have no bollocks because Pogba is pulling passes out of his arsehole that land at Mbappe's feet for France, Di Maria is scoring worldies for Argentina & PSG, Depay has some stupid assists/goals stats for Lyon, Mkhitaryan is gliding through opposition midfield at Arsenal...

And not one of them has been able to shine for a consistent period for us.

It's not them, it's us. The club is broken and more than ever I'm now convinced that Van Gaal's FA Cup, last year's Europa league and this year's 2nd place finish is in spite of our management not because of it.

It's fucking batshit crazy.

"I'm not playing Bailly because he's not going to the World Cup, so I want to give Jones the chance to claim a place for England".

I mean fuck my japs eye with a drill, is Jose snorting the same stuff Maradona has been getting his hands on or what?

Fuck, even Roberto fucking Martinez is making better use of Lukaku than we are, and Rashford and Lingard look a million miles happier playing for England than they do at the club they're supported as kids. That is not normal.

Can anyone reasonably suggest that Coutinho, Silva or Eriksen...had they come to United...would have flourished? I don't think so.

I go into next season with zero optimism right now. I'm enjoying this World Cup because I firmly believe it will be the biggest thrill we're likely to get from football until the final whistle of next season where I can finally have another break from watching us not play well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote that Maz. TOFB has "quoted" me and if you read it in full I am basically drawing the same conclusion as you.

Those players have succeeded at vermin, Spurs etc but we've had players of similar or better quality that have not succeeded. There is something deeply wrong with Utd and part of that for me is that we have players like Fellaini in the squad getting games when it ought to be the quality players being given time on the pitch. If you can't make Martial, Lukaku and Rashford work as a front 3 with Pogba providing the bullets behind them than you aren't good enough at being a manager, end of!

Of all the young players coming through McTominay is the least talented but he's 6 foot 4 and can tackle a bit, yet he's the one being pushed forward by Jose. That's not to take anything away from the lad but this is a perfect example of the very limited players being given a chance and anyone with real talent, guile, flair 'X' factor being fucked off.

Coutinho wouldn't have succeeded at Utd, that's a sad fact to have to admit and we need to ask why, we need to take our heads out of our arses and wake up. Bad shit is happening and a new contract for Fellaini is a fucking huge red flag.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
I wrote that Maz. TOFB has "quoted" me and if you read it in full I am basically drawing the same conclusion as you.

Those players have succeeded at vermin, Spurs etc but we've had players of similar or better quality that have not succeeded. There is something deeply wrong with Utd and part of that for me is that we have players like Fellaini in the squad getting games when it ought to be the quality players being given time on the pitch. If you can't make Martial, Lukaku and Rashford work as a front 3 with Pogba providing the bullets behind them than you aren't good enough at being a manager, end of!

Of all the young players coming through McTominay is the least talented but he's 6 foot 4 and can tackle a bit, yet he's the one being pushed forward by Jose. That's not to take anything away from the lad but this is a perfect example of the very limited players being given a chance and anyone with real talent, guile, flair 'X' factor being fucked off.

Coutinho wouldn't have succeeded at Utd, that's a sad fact to have to admit and we need to ask why, we need to take our heads out of our arses and wake up. Bad shit is happening and a new contract for Fellaini is a fucking huge red flag.


Seen that now. Yep, same thing.

I desperately hope that somehow the powers that be can drag us out of this sleepwalk we're in. I probably come across as Sam only 20 years later.

But I just can't see the signs that we're on an upward curve. That's probably the most depressing part of all of this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOFB wrote:

That’s absolute bollocks in fairness. Blaming Fellaini for the shiteness of Mhikitaryan, Kagawa, Di Maria and Depay. They were shite on their own accord, nothing to do with Fellaini. On the contrary, if those players showed half the bottle that Fellaini did when reacting to his own fans booing him, they might have actually lasted at the club, and not cowered out like a bunch of little fannies.

He doesn’t have the ability with the ball at his feet, we know that. But if half our current crop had his bottle and sheer determination to win (Pogba being a prime example of somebody needing a good kick up the fucking arse), we might actually win something of merit.

Once we have players actually capable of doing this, we will see Fellaini fade into the background, until then, I’d rather see his effort ahead of a bunch of overpaid cunts who aren’t willing to put in the effort for the shirt.


Agree. we still have a couple of players you could add to that sorry list.

Not that long ago I'd have defended to the hilt every single one of our players, regardless of how shite they played, whatever misdemeanors they got up to - on or off the pitch.
However, since Fergies departure (with a couple of exceptions), we seem to have signed a succession of lazy, ill-disciplined, over-rated ego-maniacs who seem to have little respect for the club or it's fans.

I can honestly say, for the first time in 50 years of supporting United that I actually dislike some of our players.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problems at United stem from the period of "no value in the market" when the Ronnie money wasn't reinvested in an Aguero, a Hazard etc.

It was exacerbated by the appointment of Moyes, whoever thought he was equipped to do the job. Jose's a handy scapegoat but he's not responsible for the decline.

Meanwhile the afro-haired numptie brings Belgium back into the game against Japan. Absolutely fucking useless twat. For the counsels of perfection, that is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
The problems at United stem from the period of "no value in the market" when the Ronnie money wasn't reinvested in an Aguero, a Hazard etc.

It was exacerbated by the appointment of Moyes, whoever thought he was equipped to do the job. Jose's a handy scapegoat but he's not responsible for the decline.

Meanwhile the afro-haired numptie brings Belgium back into the game against Japan. Absolutely fucking useless twat. For the counsels of perfection, that is.

Same councils for perfection would be booing him into the pitch after Mertens is substituted for him. Mertens, De Bruyne, Hazard and co did the square root of fuck all for Belgium until Fellaini was introduced.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellaini made a big difference to the Belgians, only the most myopic or ignorant of people would disagree - and if that's how Jose is going to use him, as an impact player to throw on when we're getting desperate then he has value. I'd still rather see a player come on that can turn a game through guile than through brute strength, I think guile is the United way to play.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Topically, Fellaini more or less contained Neymar today. Man marked him throughout the match, didn't foul unnecessarily, and didn't give away any dangerous free kicks or get carded.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on.

Resigning Fellaini……………………. it's as good as a new signing.










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