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john smith



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: transfers Reply with quote

i'm not really sure how to phrase this post,

but have i dreamt this lot or ??


have we lost to vermin 4-1? and been utterly dire in all of our freindlies ?
we also have signed only 3 new players - Fred ?? and Diogo Dalot ??? and a 5th choice keeper from Stoke ?

are we really selling Rojo for £25 million , a player who looked to be improving and on his day was better than anything we had , and looking to buy Macguire for £70 million because he played ok in the world cup against Columbia,
and also is it true that Mourinho is still trying to sell and force out Martial , (his wife had a baby he returned home for 2 extra days and is now being bullied by Mourinho )

after the direction Mourinho has taken us in the last 8 months , i shouldn't be surprised at the lack of enthusiasm most reds i know are feeling for the new season, but even by Jose standards this looks like a fucking train wreck unfolding before our eyes ..

any glimmers of hope fellas ??
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How dare you be so negative! Everything is fine and dandy. It's only pre-season. Most of our squad are still on their holidays... Wink

Pre-season has been far from good, from what I've seen. Much of the same from last season. Of course it could all be fixed once we get the rest of the squad back, but I've looked for something we could build on. I'm yet to see it.

Our signings, well I don't know much about Fred and Dalot. They are the kind of transfers I like. Players with everything to prove. The keeper, well I can only think this means some of the young keepers are going on loan? Or he is being eyed for a position on the coaching staff?

Maguire.. I'd have him. I remember him playing for Hull against us and being an absolute beast of a defender. Watched him closely since and I think he's be a great signing. Far better than Jones/Smalling.

As for potential leavers;
Rojo, apart from the amount of injuries I'd see not reason why we'd sell him. Jones has an equally bad injury record. I know who I'd rather have in my squad.

Martial, no way I'd let him go. He and Rashford were the 2 good things to come out of the LVG era. I believe the blame for Martials lack of form lays at Jose's door. The same could be said for most of our attacking players.

Glimmers of hope? Well, Sanchez has looked better. Pereira will be "like a new signing". Lukaku, Matic and Lindelhof will have had a season under their belts. Pogba can't be any worse than last season, especially after a great world cup. Lingard is growing into a very good player.... does that make you feel any better?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if one needs reasons to be cheerful, the first is that, under LVG, we were imperious in pre-season. We even won that fabled ICC Cup (against whom?) and we beat the champs in yet another Community Shield triumph before going on to have a truly majestic season.

The second is that it is a win / win for all who (a) want to see United do well this season or (b) want to see Jose out. You can't lose, you guys. You may even get another mere mortal to tear apart.

I can't really see why he wouldn't have the right to quibble about Martial's refusal to return to the USA to help the team after the apparently safe and happy birth of his second child. Indeed I might have thought it a breach of contract not to return. I shan't, however, jump to conclusions because I don't know the full background and AM cannot be expected to be perfect either.

I will add that they can rejoice in yesterday safe in the knowledge that you are right: it is a certain indicator of the outcome of next season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe the forecast isnt so bad. Laughing

i remember LVG signed some galacticos ( Embarassed that word was used at the time....)
DiMaria, Falcoa - we looked set for a season of world domination and look how that ended. Rolling Eyes

it's just hard to see the signs showing any kind of change.

as has been said , the glass half full boys are saying wait till we kick a ball in anger.
the glass half empty boys are saying it's more of the same.


last season we started so well. ok the fixture list was kind, but we went on a good run , 4-0 became the norm, and yet the same side petered out to drab football, and struggling to break sides down, The Seville home leg game was about as low as many of us could get.

i suppose we have to wait and see,

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The contrast with Sevilla is not so much the flying start as the almost contemporaneous second half against City which so deflated the latter they fell straight out of a CL for which they were just about favourites.

One thing is for certain: it can't go on like this. Something is going to give.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: transfers Reply with quote

john smith wrote:


any glimmers of hope fellas ??


£70m will be money well spent if it keeps Jones out of the team.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No hope. We have a manager who doesn't seem to inspire hope, confidenceence or team spirit.

It can't be a joy to be a United player at the moment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon folks, even the reddest of reds can't try to claim they are happy with the business done so far.

We have what.... 9 days left of the window and it's after a world cup so players very late back to training etc and what have we got?

£67.5m+ spent, a 3rd choice keeper, a very young & inexperienced full back and a mid 20's midfielder that has been playing in a league about the quality of the Scottish premiership and wasn't good enough to get into the worst Brazilian national side we've seen for 10-15 years?

I really hope Fred proves me wrong but I don't recall a single pundit, expert, commentator or journo' saying "no wonder Brazil are going home early, they needed Fred!" If your little inner voice isn't screaming "Kleberson" right now, then you need to have a word with yourself.

We've been screaming out for width and creativity for the last 2-3 seasons and we've added nothing. We know things aren't right at the back and again we've done little or nothing.

We've seen a world cup where Pogba has been lauded as a wonder (if only we could get the same out of him eh?) and we've added a player that most of us would be lying if we said we'd seen him on more than a late night round up of the early stages of the Champions League. Meanwhile top class midfielders that can't even get into the Real side are begging to leave to play more often.

We acted early for the 3 that we have signed, which to me indicates that no one else was in for them. Clearly we've been in for others and that has proven not so easy, I'd ask why? Utd fans often blame Woodward, I think everything that has happened since May 2013 is to blame. I genuinely believe that players and their agents are reluctant to come to Utd.

Look at the players we're being linked with (yes it's paper talk but these days there is very little smoke without fire) Perisic is nearly 30, Lewandowski will be 30 in a fortnight, Willian will be 30 on the day the window closes. We want the next Perisic, the next Lewandowski and the next Willian for fucks sake.

The clubs transfer policy and scouting over the last 6-7 years has been fucking embarrassing, we've spent more since SAF left than in the rest of the history of the club and this at a time when we've heard that the board aren't supporting the manager or there is no value in the market. We're unable to find the value that's the truth and if we do we've bought the wrong players at the wrong time for the wrong manager, over half a billion spent on what?

We support a club that has Phil Jones in the back 4 and resigned Fellaini because we were struggling to buy anyone else. We're old, slow, pass backwards too often, overly defensive, horrible to watch and very rarely score. Our manager knows this and makes it worse because he doesn't actually know what to do or how to do it to make the changes required.

He makes us difficult to beat so we might just get into the top 4 again and get champions league football but it will be another 10 months of abject misery and flattering to deceive.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We support a club that has Phil Jones in the back 4 and resigned Fellaini because we were struggling to buy anyone else. We're old, slow, pass backwards too often, overly defensive, horrible to watch and very rarely score. Our manager knows this and makes it worse because he doesn't actually know what to do or how to do it to make the changes required

THIS THIS.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-fans-left-furious-13006504
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transfer dealings so far have hardly set the world on fire. What teams have done good or significant business so far?

Arsenal have largely acquired a bunch of players nobody has heard of.
Chelsea have signed two players, one being Robert 'fookin' Green.
Murdering Scum have signed four players, none being anything special imho
City have signed two players, Mahrez is a good player imho
Spurs have signed nobody so far

Even the most negative of people would have to concede that whilst United are not setting the world on fire, neither is anyone else who we're likely to compete with. The shortened window and WC have played havoc with this window so far.

Zoo, bit harsh on Fred. He was in the WC squad but got injured in training before the start of the tournament, otherwise he would have played, or at least that was the general consensus. Hardly fair to judge him based on the league he played in. On that basis you'd have moaned like fuck when we bought in The legend that is Ole back-in-the-day. Also, weren't City after him? That may tell us something about the boys ability. He may be the next Kleberson, he may not, seems churlish to me to dismiss him based on an injury that kept him out, a league he played in, the overall strength of the Brazilian national team, or a player we signed when our pre-Glazer transfer policy was equally as baffling in 2003. The year we got Kleberson is the year we also got Djemba and Bellion, based on those three this transfer window is looking OK. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why people are getting worked up moaning about Mourinho during pre-season friendlies.

We all know we'll have plenty of chances to moan when the season starts proper. Wink

The World Cup was a reminder that watching football can be fun, and I'm enjoying my holiday from United. Next Friday can wait. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dave wrote:
I don't know why people are getting worked up moaning about Mourinho during pre-season friendlies.

We all know we'll have plenty of chances to moan when the season starts proper. Wink



absolutely. some impatient twats on here Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see the fuss on a number of fronts. I don't even know what Jose is moaning about but I suspect he has an agenda.

The team is already there and it is a question of whether Jose can get them to play as they can consistently rather than in cameos.

One of the new signings is for back up, another for now and Dalot for the future after Antonio.

Frankly I have never thought the back 4 or 5 to be as bad as is made out by some on here and if it gets strengthened, fine but, if not, fine too.

I think a middle 3 of Matic, Pogba and Fred should satisfy anyone (with a back up of Herrera, Pereira and Fellaini not being too bad imho).

Given the late returns I would very much like to see us start with Lukaku, Sanchez and Martial up front but the latter, despite being right-footed, seems to think it is not his job to play on the right (previously he didn't think it was his job to play on the left with Rashford in the centre) so I suppose that option is probably gone. Oh well Rashford or Lingard might have to struggle on to the bench a day or two early, or perhaps we could give Mata a game there if push really comes to shove?

The team might not win the league this season but it should be good enough to challenge. I suspect they are more likely to be in the top 4 than fighting relegation.

At the end of the season, given that those of you who are very pessimistic prove to be at least right on the point that we don't close any gap on City and / or are overtaken by others, your calls for Jose's head may be heeded.

Win / Win?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
No hope. We have a manager who doesn't seem to inspire hope, confidenceence or team spirit.

It can't be a joy to be a United player at the moment.



I concur Sad
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