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The Dave



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Wolves Reply with quote

...were there for the taking. Got some decent attacking players but we were camped outside their area for long periods without creating a sodding thing.

I don't think I've ever seen so many hoof-it-and-hope crosses heading to nowhere. We continue to have very little idea of how to actually unlock a defence - it's like watching somebody button bashing on Fifa when you see us continually pinging passes straight at the opposition.

Mind you, Wolves could've stolen it at the death so I suppose things could be worse. On to trying to grind out a result against Derby now I suppose. Because that's what we do.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could say that I was surprised Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no doubt the glass half full boys will be along soon to say
Wolves played really well-
we have just had a euro away -
we are in transition-
fred scored -

blah blah blah....

someone posted on another threads that we are building momentum - what a crock of shite, we are stumbling from poor performance to average performance to poor performance again. against a top side i think we will get destroyed.

i agree with Dave, wolves were there for the taking at 1-0 up, and then pogba loses possession centre of the pitch ( as he does numerous times) we let them in and it's the familiar story from then on , bang fellaini up front and hoof balls up. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only caught the last 10 minutes. That told me all I needed to know. The same old problems/issues.

I was starting to build a bit of optimism.. A few decent away wins, Jose sounding a bit more positive, a positive vibe coming from the players etc...

Hopefully it's a blip. But given how things have been over the last few years, I doubt it

On a positive, great to see Fergie back meaning today's result can go fuck itself,
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is United now - why aren't some of you used to it?

We could have Messi and Ronaldo and we'd still play a bland style of football.

Mourinho has done his time now. Come in, win a couple of trophies, get United back into the CL season on season and mostly do the basics at home - mostly.

They'll be no change until he is gone.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
someone posted on another threads that we are building momentum - what a crock of shite, we are stumbling from poor performance to average performance to poor performance again. against a top side i think we will get destroyed.


Same shit, different day. Anyone who's been watching us for the last two years and thinks they see any progression are either blind or mad. The quality of our players is often enough to squeeze out the opposition, but fuck me are we in tactical limbo.

He's won two trophies and we finished 2nd last year so we can't sack Mourinho yet, but the writing's on the wall and I'm starting to feel that every week we delay the inevitable is another week further away from anything approaching competent, confident performances.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those who watched it on the www, what site did you use ?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
no doubt the glass half full boys will be along soon to say
Wolves played really well-
we have just had a euro away -
we are in transition-
fred scored -

blah blah blah....

someone posted on another threads that we are building momentum - what a crock of shite, we are stumbling from poor performance to average performance to poor performance again. against a top side i think we will get destroyed.

i agree with Dave, wolves were there for the taking at 1-0 up, and then pogba loses possession centre of the pitch ( as he does numerous times) we let them in and it's the familiar story from then on , bang fellaini up front and hoof balls up. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Not sure I'd say any of those things, JS (although I can't fault your facts).

I would leave it at we didn't score enough goals. The opportunities were there.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to start wearing that pink kit at home too
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackl wrote:
john smith wrote:
no doubt the glass half full boys will be along soon to say
Wolves played really well-
we have just had a euro away -
we are in transition-
fred scored -

blah blah blah....

someone posted on another threads that we are building momentum - what a crock of shite, we are stumbling from poor performance to average performance to poor performance again. against a top side i think we will get destroyed.

i agree with Dave, wolves were there for the taking at 1-0 up, and then pogba loses possession centre of the pitch ( as he does numerous times) we let them in and it's the familiar story from then on , bang fellaini up front and hoof balls up. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Not sure I'd say any of those things, JS (although I can't fault your facts).

I would leave it at we didn't score enough goals. The opportunities were there.


you seem a very intelligent and positive bloke Jackl, Chubbs does too , and i wish i could share that optimism and positivity ,(and intelligence Embarassed Wink ...)

i've read you both mention the sextons days,and the lvg times and how you look at the positives we are now seeing and how you can see glimmers of hope in how we are progressing and give jose time and he will succeed.

i'm not an argumentative bloke at all, i like to think i'm a very upbeat guy (most people say i am any way Confused ) but i simply cannot share any optimism from what i am seeing from utd in the last 16 months.

i believe Mourinho is no longer a top manager- i could try and claim he has never been, he's just a big spender ' but i wont , his record shows otherwise, but that’s HISTORY !! and we should look at the present and future - not his past.

look at the Manager yesterday ,being now lauded left right and centre for coming into the premier league, playing attacking ,direct football, and rightly getting praise for coming to ot and getting a well deserved point,
at the moment Pep and Sugar puff teeth and playing the game the way it should be played, entertaining and winning games.

we are doing neither on a regular basis, and under Mourinho we never will.

i feel if we let him have 5 years as i think Chubs suggested on another thread . we are in for another 2.5 years of this, and we don't have a god given right to be the top dogs,
but when you spend £90 million on pogba, £70 million on lukaku and are prepared to pay sanchez £280,000 a week, you are in the realms of being the biggest spenders and as such you have to back that up.

failing to beat promoted sides ( as we did last season every time away too ) playing with no tactics , style or flair - throwing on defenders to hold onto a lead agaisnt watford , Sticking Fellaini up front because he's BIG . non of this is the mark of a top side, but it’s what we now are !!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JS, you misunderstand me, or perhaps I wasn’t clear enough - fixing United from when Jose took over was probably a 5 year job but the owners, board and probably Jose himself didn’t understand the depth of our decline, nor the on-going strategy at other clubs.

Two years ago City were nothing special, Murdering Scum were laughable, Arsenal were in decline and Chelsea blew hot and cold. Two years ago it was only Spurs that looked like they were building toward something special. Leicester were champions FFS, how hard could it be to get back to the top by spending big?

I suspect the thought process was money can win the day and restore United’s fortunes, but in truth the problem was much deeper than the first team. We’d taken our eye off the ball at all levels, we were no longer building for the future, nor building based on a very real identity and playing style that was taught by Sir Matt onward. LvG had coached the creative life out of the team, Moyes had been catastrophic to the swagger of serial winners, Jose came along and we won stuff - the strategy was working, or so it seemed.

It’s no longer working, big purchases are not what we need, we need to reassess our strategy from the top down. We need a technical direction that has a 1-3-5 year plan backed up by a club strategy that supports it. We will win the odd cup along the way, it will be painful at times, but if everyone knows we’re building to something then United fans will back it.

Jose has never been a long term planner, as he’s never had to be, he was not brought in to be. We should be careful not to blame Jose for a lack of vision of the football board, no coach will restore our fortunes without a fundamental change in the vision and direction of the club. Our issues are far deeper than who the coach is.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be right that he is on borrowed time and I saw in his own December deadline a recognition of this. He has bought, what, nine players to fill every position but left back and right wing (the gk is obviously not intended to be a first choice) and they have all failed, some like Mkhi perhaps more than others or maybe he is just the first casualty of a failed system.

He cannot therefore blame anyone else (including the chinless wonder). I suspect the club will give him this season. I think that's the bottom line. No immediate panic but there is always the next exit sign. I hope he gets it right as I prefer to be positive but a 1980 style cup final won't do it. An Eric type catalyst might but he's not out there. He has to find it internally or shunt off stage left.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But notwithstanding all of the above, reading the opinions here you’d think we lost the game. Wolves are a club and team heading in the right direction, they have a plan and a strategy they’re working toward. I suspect they will continue to progress and will they finish in the top half of the table with some ease.

They played well yesterday and there is some arrogance here if you think we are entitled to beat them, it disrespects them to do so, they are a good team on the brink of being very good. The structure of their club and their vision will mean they will continue to do well.

We didn’t play badly, we played a good team that was motivated to play at OT on the biggest of stages and a team motivated to play well. We should give them some credit, in the first half they were the better team, in the second they parked the bus because we made them play that way - we have seen this more times than we can remember. It’s frustrating to watch and in the end we lob balls in, on another day we’d break them down. Whisper is quietly but these games happened under SAF too.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't watch yesterday, knew what would happen.

I'll just say this, watching on MOTD this morning and they made reference to SAF being there and the fact that last time we played Wolves he was the manager, like a throw a way line the commentator says "4-1 home win and a 5-0 victory at Molineux"

No further text required.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby, the comments/reaction isn't about today's game, it's a result of seeing this type of performance become the norm. We may not have lost yesterday (although it felt like it), wolves might be a good team and progressing etc... but the concerning thing is they came and looked our equal, some may argue better, as have many other recently promoted/relegation threatened teams.

We had many games under SAF where we have an off day, but we all knew there would be an adequate response. The players would care. The manager would fume, but all would be kept behind closed doors.
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