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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:11 pm    Post subject: Another shambles Reply with quote

... although I can't be bothered to discuss it...

What is worth mentioning is my issue with the offside rule. Derby's second goal should always be offside IMO. Having a split second to make a decision, that player in the offside position is going to effect the decision making of the defenders/goalkeeper regardless of whether they touch the ball or not. If he wasn't there would we have defended differently? Possibly, and so is involved in the play.

Derby deserved the goal and I'm not trying to argue we lost because of it. Just the rule is a mess.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offside or not we should have been 3/4 up

Enough is enough

Sack the cunt and sack him now!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hertford Red wrote:
Offside or not we should have been 3/4 up

Enough is enough

Sack the cunt and sack him now!!

Saying we should've been 3/4 up suggests poor finishing. You can't blame Jose for that, can you? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not entirely, and it isn't only one thing. Anyone in his situation would however have to say the buck stops here. It will take a collective effort to turn this ship round but it has to start with the helmsman.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be surprised if he lasts any longer than Christmas. My concern is who would replace him and could he turn things around? I would hope the club would also be taking the chance to put in place a new structure, otherwise we will rinse and repeat the same shite as we've seen under Moyes, LvG and now Jose.

Let's be honest though, performance aside, they were all great penalties up until calamity Jones stepped up. You knew he'd miss it, he's a walking fucking disaster zone waiting to happen. To think he was likened to Duncan Edwards at one stage, Duncan Norvelle more like.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
I will be surprised if he lasts any longer than Christmas. My concern is who would replace him and could he turn things around? I would hope the club would also be taking the chance to put in place a new structure, otherwise we will rinse and repeat the same shite as we've seen under Moyes, LvG and now Jose.

Let's be honest though, performance aside, they were all great penalties up until calamity Jones stepped up. You knew he'd miss it, he's a walking fucking disaster zone waiting to happen. To think he was likened to Duncan Edwards at one stage, Duncan Norvelle more like.


It's pretty sad what's happened to him. And there was a certain inevitability about his being the one to miss.

There will not be another Duncan Edwards. He has strolled out of the back door of history into myth.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jones peno was one of the worst I've ever seen from a pro footballer, I actually think my missus would have got more power on it... was worse than a backpass.

Depressing viewing though, but its not even a surprise anymore. The fact we cant even carve open a bog-standard Championship side says everything. The football is just awful.
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Southern Red



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
My concern is who would replace him and could he turn things around? I would hope the club would also be taking the chance to put in place a new structure, otherwise we will rinse and repeat the same shite as we've seen under Moyes, LvG and now Jose


I share your concern. The biggest problem will be that whoever gets the job won't be Fergie, so until they win a title or two they will be fighting against the tide. We can all get behind a new manager but we will always want what we had with Fergie. It won't happen.

As for my view on a new manager, we won't get Pep or Klopp (would we even take him now?). Poch is an option. I'm not convinced all is rosey at spurs atm so if we wanted him now would be a better chance than any. But, like Klopp, so far he's just a nearly man, although nearly would be better than where we are at present. As for managers outside the PL, I don't follow European football as much as I used to so a bit out of touch with what's out there.

Id throw Giggsys name in the hat again for no other reason than he'd do the job for the right reasons and he would know the expectations of the supporters. And spending his career playing under the best manager we've ever seen, he must have learned a few tricks of the trade. It would be a huge risk 'coz of the lack of experience, but experience has meant fuck all over the last few years.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get Keane in until May.

We won't win anything, the football won't be any better, he's not the best motivatot and it'll mean missing out on the champions league next season but at least he'll fucking end the careers of some of the cunts we have currently masquerading as professional footballers.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

north country boy wrote:
Jones peno was one of the worst I've ever seen from a pro footballer, I actually think my missus would have got more power on it... was worse than a backpass.

Depressing viewing though, but its not even a surprise anymore. The fact we cant even carve open a bog-standard Championship side says everything. The football is just awful.


They are strange things, penalties, when you are under pressure. That was a very high pressure situation with 15 penalties all converted. Some react well to it, some worry about it too much and miss. I wouldn't blame the lad for that. Many a forward won't take penalties. The ones who stand up deserve support.

We also did carve their defence apart a few times as someone commented earlier. Luka missed two chances you would expect him to take and that is worse than Jones' penalty if you analyse it fairly.

After that it was the old story of not having got a cushion, the anxiety setting in, and we couldn't hang on to the ball. It's a virus. The only way to cure this is to kill the game.

The problem as Chubby says with sacking him is there is no one in the back room with any management experience except perhaps Ricky Spragia and his is low level. I can't see Giggs dumping Wales; I am laughing baout Keano but I don't see him being approved by the board. Pep and Klopp would not be remotely interested now - both ships have sailed. I am sure there is probably something in the Zidane story. I'm not sure how that one would work out but I suspect it could be brought forward if necessary.

Either way it won't happen for a while so I would like to see the reaction. United went out of these things under Fergie too and it was usually brushed aside. We did have the odd shambolic performance even under the best.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mourinho Rolling Eyes

I could post all manner of stuff that I have said about him before but I simply can't be bothered
If he is still here at Xmas I will probably implode
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately it wasn't another shambles as the title of this thread suggest, it was just business as usual, it was what has become our norm.

When we lose to Brighton and Spurs, draw with Wolves and then lose to Derby we can't say that they are one offs -they aren't it is the new norm.

We need to get used to saying,

Brighton have proved themselves to be a stable Premier League team and they were at home.

Spurs are a top 4 team so was always going to be hard.

Wolves have spent a lot and are not the Championship team that came up, they are a solid team.

Derby, we showed great spirit coming back at the end and were unlucky on the penalties.

The new norm doesn't sound like fun, but it is what this seems to be.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
Unfortunately it wasn't another shambles as the title of this thread suggest, it was just business as usual, it was what has become our norm.

When we lose to Brighton and Spurs, draw with Wolves and then lose to Derby we can't say that they are one offs -they aren't it is the new norm.

We need to get used to saying,

Brighton have proved themselves to be a stable Premier League team and they were at home.

Spurs are a top 4 team so was always going to be hard.

Wolves have spent a lot and are not the Championship team that came up, they are a solid team.

Derby, we showed great spirit coming back at the end and were unlucky on the penalties.

The new norm doesn't sound like fun, but it is what this seems to be.


The most depressing thing is that all those sides were better than us and that is unacceptable, for the players we have, the attitude they demonstrate, and whatever is coached in training?

Stripping Pogba of the vice-captaincy? I can understand Jose making a statement and not being undermined but Allegri seemed to get the best out of him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sick of it all, the special one ain’t that special anymore and for me if we get beat this weekend then the board have to look very strongly at the situation.

It smacks of his last period at Chelsea so much and the way he lost the dressing room with his treatment of players. They got rid and suddenly the team played!

I’m never one to back a player against a manager but in this case for me I’d keep Pogba before I’d keep Mourinho for certain.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole no player bigger than the club is a non-argument. For it to work the manager needs a huge number of supporters on side as well as a large portion of the dressing room. This only happens when you are successful. Would Fergie have got away with getting rid of Keane, Beckham, RVN, Stam etc if we were just a top 4 team? I doubt it. Fergies continued success gave him power and he was nearly always proved the critics wrong. Jose is a long way from achieving this.

Pogba is wrong for speaking out, but maybe he feels he has no choice. I'm fairly confident most supporters actually agree with what hes said. Only those on the inside will know the full story.
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