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Do you think Pogba should be sold?
No he is a legend in the making!
62%
 62%  [ 5 ]
Yes in January
37%
 37%  [ 3 ]
Yes in the summer
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:11 pm    Post subject: Pogba Reply with quote

Why not have a Pogba Poll!!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly I'd get rid of Jose.

If the new manager felt pogba was toxic and wanted to get rid of Pogba I'd back him.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fergie was right. The lad’s a fuckin dickhead.

Can’t get my head around why Barca would want to sign him. Would love if they told his agent ‘thanks but no thanks’.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

north country boy wrote:
Fergie was right. The lad’s a fuckin dickhead.
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This x 10.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

north country boy wrote:
Fergie was right. The lad’s a fuckin dickhead.

Can’t get my head around why Barca would want to sign him. Would love if they told his agent ‘thanks but no thanks’.


Im sure ill be corrected if I am wrong, but Fergie never had an issue with Pogba. I'm sure I remember Fergie blaming his agent, saying Pogba was poorly advised.
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The Dave



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where´s the Alan Partridge shrug option?

He´s got bucketloads of skill in him, but no sane man can ignore the number of times he´s unnecessarily lost possession for us.

Perhaps under a different manager he´d perform better, but after two years of his performances, if Madrid/Barca wanna give us what we paid for him I´d bite their hands off.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think for long periods he had the flair coached out of him by Jose,

but i also think he is a cocky arrogant cunt with too many off days to be anything like the player he thinks he is.

his constant thing of trying to beat 5 men in the middle of the park with little drag backs, and then hitting long cross field passes is irksome, and he loses possession so fucking often he is a liability .

get shut of Jose asap

and see if pogba improves

if he does good
if he doesn't then it's time to get shut of that cunt too.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
north country boy wrote:
Fergie was right. The lad’s a fuckin dickhead.
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This x 10.




could not vote, but agree with this
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:


Im sure ill be corrected if I am wrong, but Fergie never had an issue with Pogba. I'm sure I remember Fergie blaming his agent, saying Pogba was poorly advised.


Yes, SAF was excellent as deflecting blame, misguiding journo's etc. I don't really ever recall him tearing into a player at the time he sold him/let him go. Maybe afterwards in a book it might get mentioned (Kanchelskis & the Russian mafia, Stam & the tapping up).

What I'd suggest you do is consider how Pogba's last season with us went. He made 7 appearances that season all from the bench.

We went out of the FA cup in round 4, not so good, we went out of the league cup in round 5 not so good, we went out of the champions league at the group stage and fell into the Europa league, leaving that competition at the round of 16 so eh.......not so good.

Of course it was much closer in the league, we will remember finally finishing 2nd that year. So a trophyless year for United, a midfield that contained Anderson, Park, Nani, Giggs & Scholes still of course, Carrick, Obertan & Gibson.....hardly sparkling?

Now we hear all the time (mainly from Rio) that everyone at United knew Pogba was gong to be very special, possibly the best ever (he said this on TV during the world cup, can't remember which side he was on) and yet in that trophyless season, with the likes of Gibson & Anderson in the sqaud, SAF didn't think to throw Pogba in for more than 7 substitute appearances (3 of which were in the league cup)?

The season after this in 12-13 when he was first at Juve' they won the league, the supercoppa, they were semi finalists in the Italian cup and quarter finalists in the champions league, Pogba made 37 appearances and scored 5 times.

Now to me this speaks volumes, ignore his media bluff, SAF knew the lad, knew the player and knew he couldn't do it at United or maybe that he couldn't do it in England. He went from 7 sub appearances for a team that won nothing to playing 37 times, scoring 5 and winning two trophies.

Someone once said we need to get Pogba into places he feels more comfortable playing, we now realise that this means, Cagliari, Udinese, Bologna and Napoli.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that SAF wasn't playing Pogba because he didn't think he was good enough, I believe he was being his usual stubborn (and perfectly correct) self by not giving into the unreasonable demands of his agent.

I recall the fans wanting to see the lad get a chance, but SAF resisted right up until the situation was already lost. I think SAF thought there was a game of bluff being played and that his agent just wanted a huge contract for his player that his player hadn't earned, I think he would have stayed had we paid through the nose, which in the end we did anyway, which brings me to... I don't believe Woowar will sanction the sale of Pogba. I think Pogba is Woowar's signature/ego signing to prove the new leadership (him) could compete and could put right what the old leadership fucked up (in his mind at least.) I think they will likely reward him with a new contract once a new manager comes in, and I don't see Barca, Bayern, Real or Juve being willing to pay what Woowar would demand, which will easily be into 9 figures. As Fellaini was synonymous with Moyes' reign and failure, so will Pogba become synonymous with Jose's latest failure. It's hard to pick a failure synonymous with LvG's failings as there are too many too pick from.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
I don't believe that SAF wasn't playing Pogba because he didn't think he was good enough, I believe he was being his usual stubborn (and perfectly correct) self by not giving into the unreasonable demands of his agent.


And herein is the real issue of a club with no plan, even towards the end of SAF's reign it's clear there is no plan.

Lets say you are correct and SAF was being stubborn, why? What for? What did he or the club have gain? If Pogba was as good as they all thought, why not play him and increase his value? Even if he wasn't going to sign a contract. The transfer fee was settled at a tribunal, I bet 15 1st team starts would have made him more valuable than 7 subs.

If we didn't intend rewarding the kid and paying him a "stars" wage, then why did we tap him up aged 15 (which we did and were later proven to have done so)? Why did we waste business class flights to go and watch the lad, pay for houses and cars for his family, put him on a pro-contract aged 16 instead of an apprentice contract? What was the point of that? What was the plan for Pogba's future?

There is no plan here, he was either brilliant and worth all that fuss and expense in which case get him in the team and signing another contract.

If not why piss about with even 7 sub appearances, fuck the lad off to play with the U15 girls side. There is no plan here, no joined up thinking.

We were trawling Europe, tapping up 14-15 year old kids, exploiting a loop hole in European law where British clubs could pay full time wages unlike the rest of Europe and then when it seems that everyone at the club knew how good some of these kids were we played silly buggers not putting them into the team and not paying top wages, for a player that left and won 4 league titles, 2 cups, 2 super cups and an U20 world cup before we bought him back for silly money and huge wages? Where is the fucking plan?

In that 4 years away from United did the player and his agent earn £90m? I doubt it, so we were posturing with no fucking plan and ended up bending over for a shafting in any case. Great work Sir Alex, well done, glad it wasn't your fucking money you wasted.

No plan at all and for the record, I still think SAF knew, he wasn't going to cut it in the UK. He knew people and I think he saw the flash harry, the sulky strut, the daft hair.

Either way you look at it, the whole Pogba story is a complete fucking shambles from day 1 a complete waste of time and money and no real plan for what we would do with him in any case.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did SAF need an excuse to be stubborn? Did everything he did revolve around a master plan where he was always thinking four moves ahead? Or did he simply see his arse with certain behaviours of agents? Maybe the latter is the simplest answer. As you mentioned earlier Zoo, we may find out one day in a book.

The then new FA ruling, which meant we couldn’t recruit UK youngsters from outside a 90 mile radius had a profound impact on our youth set up. At the time taking the cream of the crop in Europe probably felt like the right approach. European players were far better technically than their UK equivalent, therefore they should have adapted well and given us an advantage. What this policy did was take the focus away from local recruitment, leaving City to hoover up local talent within 90 miles of Manchester. By the time the European strategy was shown to not deliver the desired results it was too late. To say there wasn’t a plan would be foolish, to say we had a plan that didn’t work more accurate. City are yet to give too many of their youngsters their chance, so both approaches to youth development could be claimed as failing.

Agree 100%, Pogba saga is a shambles but I think he can play in England without question, but lacks the real motivation to do so. Is that because of Jose? Is it because of Pogba himself, I’d say it’s a bit of both and no plan we have or don’t would change it.
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