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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject: Juve Reply with quote

Great result but rode our luck.Pogba was shite.Great free kick by Mata.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pogba was shite.

He's a liability.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOFB wrote:
De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.


Yes, that GK that kept us in the game was an absolute liability last night. I’m sure some people just like to find fault in anything, or sniff way too much glue. #bonkers
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.


Yes, that GK that kept us in the game was an absolute liability last night. I’m sure some people just like to find fault in anything, or sniff way too much glue. #bonkers

He shit the load several times when he needed to come off his line and was atrociously poor for the goal. He was poor against Bournemouth for the same reason allowing a ball to bounce in the six yard box and Wilson nearly scored from it and almost caught out by a ball that treacled past the post because of his unwillingness to leave his line.

As for keeping us in the game last night, you would expect most professional goalkeepers to stop the shots he stopped last night. I’d be just as confident of Romero or Grant making those saves last night. He’s one of the best in the world on his line, but it’s no wonder his defense are all over the place with his unwillingness to be brave and come off his line to help out every now and again.

https://youtu.be/wmQn9ZWVPh0
https://youtu.be/kXHO0VqNBbg
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOFB wrote:
Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.


Yes, that GK that kept us in the game was an absolute liability last night. I’m sure some people just like to find fault in anything, or sniff way too much glue. #bonkers

He shit the load several times when he needed to come off his line and was atrociously poor for the goal. He was poor against Bournemouth for the same reason allowing a ball to bounce in the six yard box and Wilson nearly scored from it and almost caught out by a ball that treacled past the post because of his unwillingness to leave his line.

As for keeping us in the game last night, you would expect most professional goalkeepers to stop the shots he stopped last night. I’d be just as confident of Romero or Grant making those saves last night. He’s one of the best in the world on his line, but it’s no wonder his defense are all over the place with his unwillingness to be brave and come off his line to help out every now and again.

https://youtu.be/wmQn9ZWVPh0
https://youtu.be/kXHO0VqNBbg


As I say, bonkers. Not really worth debating with you.

Is he perfect every time? No, of course he isn’t. Are there things he can improve upon? Absolutely. Is he a liability? Is he fuck. Don’t be a cock.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.


Yes, that GK that kept us in the game was an absolute liability last night. I’m sure some people just like to find fault in anything, or sniff way too much glue. #bonkers

He shit the load several times when he needed to come off his line and was atrociously poor for the goal. He was poor against Bournemouth for the same reason allowing a ball to bounce in the six yard box and Wilson nearly scored from it and almost caught out by a ball that treacled past the post because of his unwillingness to leave his line.

As for keeping us in the game last night, you would expect most professional goalkeepers to stop the shots he stopped last night. I’d be just as confident of Romero or Grant making those saves last night. He’s one of the best in the world on his line, but it’s no wonder his defense are all over the place with his unwillingness to be brave and come off his line to help out every now and again.

https://youtu.be/wmQn9ZWVPh0
https://youtu.be/kXHO0VqNBbg


As I say, bonkers. Not really worth debating with you.

Is he perfect every time? No, of course he isn’t. Are there things he can improve upon? Absolutely. Is he a liability? Is he fuck. Don’t be a cock.

Not worth debating, while debating...

He is a liability when he doesn’t come off his line for balls he should be collecting. It led to a goal the other night ffs! Posters are quite happy to call Pogba a liability when it suits them, but would you leave him out of the side at present?

Fact is, its a huge weakness in his game and it does need addressing if we aspire to be a top team again. Where are the quick counter attacks that Schmeichel and Van Der Sar set us up for? Not there. Why do we have two jittery centre halves all of the time? Because we have a lad in goal limiting himself to his line.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting for one of you unoriginal cunts to suggest he goes on loan to Blackburn.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark-shade-of-red wrote:
Waiting for one of you unoriginal cunts to suggest he goes on loan to Blackburn.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark-shade-of-red wrote:
Waiting for one of you unoriginal cunts to suggest he goes on loan to Blackburn.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOFB wrote:
Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
Chubby wrote:
TOFB wrote:
De Gea is a liability for anything off his line. Utterly dreadful. Communication and passing isn’t great either.


Yes, that GK that kept us in the game was an absolute liability last night. I’m sure some people just like to find fault in anything, or sniff way too much glue. #bonkers

He shit the load several times when he needed to come off his line and was atrociously poor for the goal. He was poor against Bournemouth for the same reason allowing a ball to bounce in the six yard box and Wilson nearly scored from it and almost caught out by a ball that treacled past the post because of his unwillingness to leave his line.

As for keeping us in the game last night, you would expect most professional goalkeepers to stop the shots he stopped last night. I’d be just as confident of Romero or Grant making those saves last night. He’s one of the best in the world on his line, but it’s no wonder his defense are all over the place with his unwillingness to be brave and come off his line to help out every now and again.

https://youtu.be/wmQn9ZWVPh0
https://youtu.be/kXHO0VqNBbg


As I say, bonkers. Not really worth debating with you.

Is he perfect every time? No, of course he isn’t. Are there things he can improve upon? Absolutely. Is he a liability? Is he fuck. Don’t be a cock.

Not worth debating, while debating...

He is a liability when he doesn’t come off his line for balls he should be collecting. It led to a goal the other night ffs! Posters are quite happy to call Pogba a liability when it suits them, but would you leave him out of the side at present?

Fact is, its a huge weakness in his game and it does need addressing if we aspire to be a top team again. Where are the quick counter attacks that Schmeichel and Van Der Sar set us up for? Not there. Why do we have two jittery centre halves all of the time? Because we have a lad in goal limiting himself to his line.


We will agree to disagree on the worth of De Gea to the team, suffice to say for each of the last 5 seasons, certainly 4 seasons, he's been worth at least 10 points to United each season by making crucial saves, some the likes of which few keepers in the world could make. Suggesting he's a liability and that he should be dropped is plainly bonkers and as daft as the infamous send him out on loan comment from 5-6 years ago and the same fucking bonkers nonsense that used to say sell Giggs, sack SAF etc.

Couldn't give a shit about what people say about Pogba, he blows hot and cold in most games and deserves some stick for his narcissistic personality traits alone. Throwing DDG under the bus when he's sat behind the worst defence we've had since the 70's is hardly comparable, particularly as he delivers consistently world class goalkeeping.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chubby wrote:
We will agree to disagree on the worth of De Gea to the team, suffice to say for each of the last 5 seasons, certainly 4 seasons, he's been worth at least 10 points to United each season by making crucial saves, some the likes of which few keepers in the world could make. Suggesting he's a liability and that he should be dropped is plainly bonkers and as daft as the infamous send him out on loan comment from 5-6 years ago and the same fucking bonkers nonsense that used to say sell Giggs, sack SAF etc.

Couldn't give a shit about what people say about Pogba, he blows hot and cold in most games and deserves some stick for his narcissistic personality traits alone. Throwing DDG under the bus when he's sat behind the worst defence we've had since the 70's is hardly comparable, particularly as he delivers consistently world class goalkeeping.

I do not have an issue with De Gea's stopping ability, what I have an issue with is his limitations elsewhere which I feel holds the team back. Most top level goalkeepers are great shot stoppers, hell even Ben Foster can pull off the odd worldie. It's the other side of his game that I am focusing on.

Again, when do we ever break forward from a goalkeepers catch and throw like we did with Schmeichel and Van Der Sar? We don't, because he doesn't come off his line.

You are forgetting that he is PART of the worst defense we have seen in years. Defending isn't helped by lack of quality defenders, but it also isn't helped by lack of communication, command of the penalty box and distribution.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please tell me I haven't just read a debate about DDG's ability?

I usually respect the opinions of others, even if I disagree with it, but this is complete bollocks. DDG is probably the only player in this squad who has not let us down. Using Ronaldos goal to back up your theory is bizarre. No keeper in the world would be winning that. Sometimes in football, no matter how good you are, how organised etc a pass can be played that fucks everything up. This was one of those occasions.... and if claiming crosses was a weak area, then that's fine. I'd rather my keeper save the follow-up shot than risk claiming a ball he wasn't confident of getting.

As for his distribution, I rarely see the options open to him that our previous keepers had. Wide men high up the pitch ready to break.

He's one of, if not the best keeper in the world. We are far better with him than we'd be without him.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please tell me I haven't just read a debate about DDG's ability?

I usually respect the opinions of others, even if I disagree with it, but this is complete bollocks. DDG is probably the only player in this squad who has not let us down. Using Ronaldos goal to back up your theory is bizarre. No keeper in the world would be winning that. Sometimes in football, no matter how good you are, how organised etc a pass can be played that fucks everything up. This was one of those occasions.... and if claiming crosses was a weak area, then that's fine. I'd rather my keeper save the follow-up shot than risk claiming a ball he wasn't confident of getting.

As for his distribution, I rarely see the options open to him that our previous keepers had. Wide men high up the pitch ready to break.

He's one of, if not the best keeper in the world. We are far better with him than we'd be without him.


Personally I think he needs a loan period to toughen up & get used to the pace of the league
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Southern Red wrote:
Please tell me I haven't just read a debate about DDG's ability?

I usually respect the opinions of others, even if I disagree with it, but this is complete bollocks. DDG is probably the only player in this squad who has not let us down. Using Ronaldos goal to back up your theory is bizarre. No keeper in the world would be winning that. Sometimes in football, no matter how good you are, how organised etc a pass can be played that fucks everything up. This was one of those occasions.... and if claiming crosses was a weak area, then that's fine. I'd rather my keeper save the follow-up shot than risk claiming a ball he wasn't confident of getting.

As for his distribution, I rarely see the options open to him that our previous keepers had. Wide men high up the pitch ready to break.

He's one of, if not the best keeper in the world. We are far better with him than we'd be without him.

You’ve just read it, is that okay or is he immune from criticism just because. I said he’s a liability when having do come off his line, is this not correct?

Again, you’ve completely missed the point. He’s standing six yards from where Ronaldo stuck the volley when Bonucci played the ball. The ball travelled fifty yards, Ronaldo ran twenty yards to run onto it, meanwhile our goalkeeper takes a sidewards step and back when he should have came out to deal with it before Ronaldo struck. He did the same as he did with a Cuadrado cross in the first half that bounced in his six yard box, the same as he did for the Wilson chance last weekend... he shat it.

The only way anything will open up for a counter attack is if he commands his box, catches the ball and gets our outfield players away on a counter attack quickly, that won’t happen if you’re stuck on your line.

He’s the best shot stopper in the world, in other departments, nowhere near.
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