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Zoolander



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john smith wrote:
i was told yesterday utd will not sack jose , because his pay out would be so large
"it's bad for business " Rolling Eyes
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Journo on Sky was saying that many managers have a clause in their contract at which point it becomes 'economically viable' to sack them. Hence Utd waited until Champions League qualification was not possible before they sacked Moyes. I imagine that it will cost a lot to get rid of Jose but if he has such a clause (IE once Utd either can't win a trophy or qualify for CL) then he'll be gone.

Not qualifying for the CL is worse for business than sacking Jose.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hughes, Giggs, Keane, Neville (either variety) in any order or any combination please

Someone that 'understands the club'© to continue the journey
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
NOT Zidane.

In my view he has no experience. I know. But coaching Real Madrid is like coaching Celtic; it isn't a test of reality.\


Would you have said the same of Guardiola post-Barcelona?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We took a punt with Moyes, got bitten and tried experience

We took a punt with experience, got bitten and tried a serial winner

We took a punt with a serial winner, we're getting bit at present

You cannot roll the clock back to SAF and his legacy, it's gone, it's done, time to move forward. However and whoever we choose next they will need a better structure at the club and if Jose goes then so must Ed Woodward.

Harry Redknapp will be out of the jungle in 10 days. Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree, I think Ed just needs to have his role redefined.

He's doing wonders commercially and therein lies the problem, he isn't a football man.

He can stay in a role that highlights his skills, go out there and secure Utd another £20m deal for their South American colour printing partner, I don't care but for heavens sake get a director of football in to take care of that side of the business.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoolander wrote:
I disagree, I think Ed just needs to have his role redefined.

He's doing wonders commercially and therein lies the problem, he isn't a football man.

He can stay in a role that highlights his skills, go out there and secure Utd another £20m deal for their South American colour printing partner, I don't care but for heavens sake get a director of football in to take care of that side of the business.


No senior exec worth having would accept having his wings clipped and stay, likely there is way too much of an ego to accept such a public demotion. A senior exec team gets hired/fired on a business plan and strategy execution, he’s successfully grown the business but failed to sustain any on field consistency, which will in turn impact business returns. If we have a strategy I don’t know what it is, I can’t see it, explain it and therefore back it. He’s complicit in our ongoing challenges. I agree that a Director of Football is a must, but without a strategy he’ll not be successful either. We need a top-down restructure from the exec team to the playing staff.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any point in having a new manager until we change the organizational structure ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
Is there any point in having a new manager until we change the organizational structure ?


Very little, but we can’t carry on this way. At present we’re a mid-table team, I can’t see anything on the horizon to give any hope.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
Is there any point in having a new manager until we change the organizational structure ?


I'd argue yes...

Fergie managed to do the job with his hands tied. Although I don't expect the same miracles from a new manager, this squad is so far from its potential. A change in the board room won't change that. Not in the short term anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stig wrote:
Is there any point in having a new manager until we change the organizational structure ?


fuck me YES !!!!!

the players are playing to a game plan, hold tight , wait for the opposition to make a mistake and then we try and ponderously move forward .
no player should risk a pass, no player should try beat a man , no centre half should pass to a mid fielder player, no player should risk a pass when an easy p[ass BACK or SIDEWAYS is on.

the jist is, the fucking manager has 11 players on a Saturday who quite comfortably should be able to be trained that week and set up to beat soton, or brighton, or palace etc

what we have is a manager who'e pragmatism and arrogance will never ever see him change , a dinosuar who won this way before so he believes it's right .

change him, the players are good enough -FOR NOW- to improve.

you have to rebuild when the building is properly fucked, from the foundations up
however - this building aint properly fucked- the roofs leaking ,badly , mend that and while we stay dry we can sort the rest out Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need a manager that can lay out:
- Specifics about who to keep, who to sell and who to replace them with - names and profiles
- A vision for the players currently at the club
- A vision for playing that then matches the players already at the club or planned for recruitment
AND:
- A panel of football people in the boardroom who can pass judgement on the feasibility of those details

Currently, Jose is the most experienced football person at the club in any decision making position and that is really dangerous.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark-shade-of-red wrote:
Jardim (Even though he got sacked)
Zidane
Eddie Howe!


Jardim might be a good shout. He got a team of talented youngsters playing great football at Monaco before the owners flogged off the entire squad to line their pockets, and seems to have done pretty well wherever he's been.

He certainly seems like a proactive 'modern' manager, plus he's had to work for some proper twats in his time so should have no problem operating under our board.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we get bounced out of this years Champions League and, at best get into next years Europa league the loss of revenue will dwarf that fuckwits pay off
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